Another protest against plans for a new mosque

well i voted against any new mosques in my area (newcastle) simply because the last new one that was built on elswick road resulted in horrendous parking problems on a main bus route near a fire station and two schools ,on friday afternoons the road would be totally blocked with cars double parked on double yellow lines.It took the intervention of police to put cones along the road to prevent any parking .Also it was built smack in the middle of a residential area complete with 100ft minaret which looks totally out of place

interesting poll results so far

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by zing

interesting poll results so far

I know. the 12 that have said "I don't care" will have to make a desicion when it comes to a planning application in their area.

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Originally Posted by martyh

well i voted against any new mosques in my area (newcastle) simply because the last new one that was built on elswick road resulted in horrendous parking problems on a main bus route near a fire station and two schools ,on friday afternoons the road would be totally blocked with cars double parked on double yellow lines.It took the intervention of police to put cones along the road to prevent any parking .Also it was built smack in the middle of a residential area complete with 100ft minaret which looks totally out of place

The same with the ones by me. you could argue that churches cause such problems too, but they don't. the only times I've ever known churches to be 'busy' is when there's a funeral.

i would suggest and it is only a theory that most of the people who "don't care either way" don't have any mosques near them and are unlikely to ever have since they don't live in big cities or towns ,of course i may be totally of base and if i am then maybe it's time these people did care a little more

Originally Posted by Gary L

I know. the 12 that have said "I don't care" will have to make a desicion when it comes to a planning application in their area.

If, not when.

Originally Posted by Gary L

The same with the ones by me. you could argue that churches cause such problems too, but they don't. the only times I've ever known churches to be 'busy' is when there's a funeral.

And I could argue that churches do cause the same problem - the Catholic Church in Headingley every Saturday evening and Sunday morning, and the local C of E church every Sunday morning. You could also bring schools into the equation, as the local primary school near me (about 350 metres) causes traffic jams every week-day morning and afternoon during term-time.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

If, not when.And I could argue that churches do cause the same problem - the Catholic Church in Headingley every Saturday evening and Sunday morning, and the local C of E church every Sunday morning. You could also bring schools into the equation, as the local primary school near me (about 350 metres) causes traffic jams every week-day morning and afternoon during term-time.

Agree about churches though not really fair to bring schools into the discussion, they're essential while places of worship are just places to indulge one's superstitions with like-minded individuals.

Originally Posted by foreverwar

If, not when.And I could argue that churches do cause the same problem - the Catholic Church in Headingley every Saturday evening and Sunday morning, and the local C of E church every Sunday morning. You could also bring schools into the equation, as the local primary school near me (about 350 metres) causes traffic jams every week-day morning and afternoon during term-time.

i agree ,but schools are needed in residential areas ,most churches have already been built and even the newer ones were built at a time when demands on local infrastructure was a lot less ,building a new mosque or any new building needs much more thought now than it would 20-30 yrs ago and sadly i don't see that happening

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

If, not when.

More when, I'd say

And I could argue that churches do cause the same problem - the Catholic Church in Headingley every Saturday evening and Sunday morning, and the local C of E church every Sunday morning.

You could, but as I said. I don't think churches cause the same problem.
I suppose it depends on where the church is, compared to where the mosque is.
most mosques are built bang in the middle of somewhere, where just being there causes problems.

You could also bring schools into the equation, as the local primary school near me (about 350 metres) causes traffic jams every week-day morning and afternoon during term-time.

As has been said. schools are essential.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Gary L

I know. the 12 that have said "I don't care" will have to make a desicion when it comes to a planning application in their area.

Originally Posted by martyh

i would suggest and it is only a theory that most of the people who "don't care either way" don't have any mosques near them and are unlikely to ever have since they don't live in big cities or towns ,of course i may be totally of base and if i am then maybe it's time these people did care a little more

Why will we have to make a desicion if we don't care?
Why should we care?
As I've said, there's one 100yrds from my house, the only minor problem it causes is with parking on a Friday afternoon, and as most people are at work it's a very minor problem, and only lasts about an hour.

Originally Posted by Gary L

The same with the ones by me. you could argue that churches cause such problems too, but they don't. the only times I've ever known churches to be 'busy' is when there's a funeral.

The new church in the next town causes parking problems several times a week in that area, normally in the evenings and weekends and with a much larger congregation than the mosque.
The old church in town is rarely used although it has an ample car park, and the other new church just up the road from the mosque used to be a Kingdom Hall, but is now another sect's, seems to have a large enough car park for the few people who attend.

Now if the old church would allow the other sects to hold congregations there, that would sort out the parking problems they cause. Then the new church up the road from the mosque could be knocked down, a mosque built, and with it's car park, the parking issue would be resolved on Fridays.

Completely forgot about the old methodists church 2 doors up! It's not been used in about 2 years. Sell it to the mosque up the road, knock it down and turn it into a car park.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Why will we have to make a desicion if we don't care?
Why should we care?

I suppose really I should have just had a Yes or a No in answer to What are your thoughts on the erection of a new mosque where you live?

that way if you don't care then you just don't take part in the poll. and all we have is whether people are for or against a mosque being erected where they live.

Now if the old church would allow the other sects to hold congregations there, that would sort out the parking problems they cause.

Other sects? other religions?

Then the new church up the road from the mosque could be knocked down, a mosque built, and with it's car park, the parking issue would be resolved on Fridays.

And all Christians, Catholics, Muslims worship in the same building?

most mosques are built bang in the middle of somewhere

Unlike most churches?

St Urbans, Headingley, near me.

[Xaccers]

Sects, as in different paths of the same religion, calling themselves followers of that religion while being different to other groups also calling themselves followers of that same religion.
As an example, Baptists and Methodists each consider themselves christian, but a baptist is not a methodist and vice versa.

The catholics have their own church elsewhere in MK.
The muslims would have a mosque up the road nearer the canal, after knocking down the current church there, and the christians could use the old church in the town where there is plenty of parking, and would bring in more funds to keep the old building in good condition for prosperity.

I suppose we could shut down all churches and insist they all use the cathedral, but as it has no roof, or windows, or walls for that matter, I can't see it being very popular during the winter, or on rainy days. Course I wouldn't mind getting married there.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Unlike most churches?

I'm having trouble picking it out. all I can see is grass

Here's one by me.

Ghamkol Shariff Masjid is a major mosque in the Small Heath area of Birmingham, England. Construction work was started on 15 March 1992 in the holy month of Ramadan. Each night throughout construction, a hafiz would recite the Quran on the construction site. Building work was completed around 1999, and upon completion, it was one of the largest mosques in the country in which can fit up to 5,000 people at one time and can fit up to 25,000 people

Yes you read it right. 25,000. how many cars is that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghamkol_Shariff_Masjid

[broadbandking]

There are plenty why do we need more jeez.

[Xaccers]

Gary, that Wiki article seems to make no sense

can fit up to 5,000 people at one time and can fit up to 25,000 people on the multiple number of Eid Prayers during the Eid Celebration

So it can fit 5,000 people at one time.
The second part, is that saying that during the Eid prayers up to 25,000 people will be catered for, in blocks of 5,000, ie 5 prayers?