New 25p drug far deadlier than mephedrone

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Depends if you picked an ugly one in the rush

lol - was the poor judgement due to any substances or alcohol?

[Gary L]

No, just not wanting to go around the block again and pushing my luck

Originally Posted by Bender

although this is true, I don't think that we need to run the risk of shortening the time we have here, nor potentially put others (or indeed themselves) through such horrendous suffering and loss purely so one might have a 'few good times' on drugs or drink. I hope you can see where I'm coming from here? Perhaps if you have had the misfortune to see loved ones die slowly and painfully of diseases that they brought upon themselves, you will understand my stance on this. but as I said, I'm not preaching - just airing my opinion. nobody needs drugs to have a good time. does anyone honestly disagree with that last statement? I'd be interested to hear your reasoning.

there are a lot of people that need some form of stimulant though isnt there? just look at exercise junkies or adrenaline junkies they are all getting " high" off something ok natural body made endorphines etc but still a kick.

as for needing drugs no no one should need drugs to have a good time but man ive been in a house full of like minded people tripping on acid and ive never had a laugh like it straight.

Another point really is how do you know what its like if you have never tried it? I am not saying you should but if you have never been out your face you cant judge on how good it can feel

[Neil22]

Originally Posted by zing

I had some absolutely wicked times on mind bending drugs. Only magic mushrooms ever made me sick and that was only once. I cant remember ever feeling ill the whole next day on any drug I took although some days I slept all day. I never got angry or aggressive on any narcotic( I did have a couple of bad trips though)

I was sick most likely 2 or 3 times a month due to getting drunk. I often felt ill the next day will god awful hangovers. I often lost my rag while drunk and did a few times get rowdy. I also was a bear with a sore head if I had no ciggies and when I stopped smoking I was a git

People get on their high horse all to often about people taking drugs well some drugs like smack are pretty much all bad but others for the majority are controlled and they have a wicked time. Some people are just far to judgemental

I agree with the above, I used to smoke cannabis on a regular basis, I was never any trouble in all my years of smoking it. I still like a joint on a weekend night it chills me out.

I avoid alcohol like the plague, I can't be done with the hangovers and the headaches that are associated with drinking beer, with cannabis there's no hangovers, no headaches, no sickness no nothing.

Cannabis can be used to treat major muscle problems like bad backs, it relaxes your muscles enabling you to get some sleep.

There's more harmful chemicals in prescribed / over the counter drugs now days one being Ephedrine which is widely used in products like Chestezze or Do Do's. Ephedrine is a banned substance but you can buy it over the counter in chestezze form, 2 tablets and you've got a buzz better than amphetamine.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Neil22

I avoid alcohol like the plague, I can't be done with the hangovers and the headaches that are associated with drinking beer, with cannabis there's no hangovers, no headaches, no sickness no nothing.

I'm the opposite, I never get hangovers, but when people have smoked cannabis near me it always gave me a stonking headache. People smoking it around my GF made her feel nauseous and her friend also gets headaches.
Friend of mine at college used to smoke a lot, until he realised he couldn't remember the previous month.

It should definitley be seriously studied further for it's medicinal properties.

Had to look it up as I've never seen it, but chesteze contains ephedrine hydrochlorate (not ephedrine) and is only available at the pharmacists discretion in packs of only 9 tablets.

[Stuart]

I get hangovers on certain Lagers (mainly Fosters and Stella). Other beers and other alchohol affects me differently. However, I digress.

Alcohol is undoubtedly dangerous. However, You can't say it's more or less dangerous than any drug based purely on the number of deaths. You need to know how many deaths and how many people take it. It's no good just stating that 500 people die from coke and 250,000 die from drink because those figures don't express how many people use those substances. If 10,000 people take coke, and 500 die, thats actually a lot worse than if 10,000,000 people drunk and 250,000 died. Not that I am defending either.

As for people saying it's stupid to take drugs. Yes, it is. However, it is also stupid to smoke, and stupid to drink to excess. All are dangerous, and all have heavily advertised danges, yet people still do them.

There are many reasons people do things like that (peer pressure, to forget about the pressures of their lives being two), but logic and common sense rarely come into it.

I think part of the problem is simple psychology. Telling us not to do something can make it more exciting to do it.

As for the medicinal benefits of cannabis. Well, I don't know if this is true, but I suspect that if such a benefit is proved, they will be working to ascertain what ingrediants of cannabis give the benefit, and will release a compound of those ingredients as a drug. I don't think they'll ever say that full blown cannabis is good. Simply because there are (as I understand it) a few varieties, and not all are good.

[alexcopeland]

Originally Posted by zing

there are a lot of people that need some form of stimulant though isnt there? just look at exercise junkies or adrenaline junkies they are all getting " high" off something ok natural body made endorphines etc but still a kick.

as for needing drugs no no one should need drugs to have a good time but man ive been in a house full of like minded people tripping on acid and ive never had a laugh like it straight.

Another point really is how do you know what its like if you have never tried it? I am not saying you should but if you have never been out your face you cant judge on how good it can feel

This is quite frankly the hardest thing to get through to someone that will not go through what you have when under the influence of an illegal substance.