Smacking ban in schools loophole

[Kymmy]

Reading the article though the quoted muslim incidents isn't smacking, but instead blatant physical assualt

A report just over a year ago warned that madrasah students had been slapped, punched and had their ears twisted.
Irfan Chishti, a former Government adviser on Islamic affairs, said that one madrasah student was 'picked up by one leg and spun around' while another pupil said a teacher was 'kicking in my head like a football'.

This isn't using the exemption but actually breaking the law

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

The original title is all what was needed to see that you are biased and selectively pulled up on the muslim issue instead of the whole article.

The original title is Double standards row as Ed Balls refuses to ban smacking at mosque schools to avoid 'upsetting Muslim sensitivities'

I'd lose no matter what.

[Kymmy]

I'd love to see the quote for that headline.. Or are they just claims from 3rd parties??? Perhaps yet again the Daily Mail picking quotes out of thin air to support an article

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Reading the article though the quoted muslim incidents isn't smacking, but instead blatant physical assualt



This isn't using the exemption but actually breaking the law

Which in pointing that out you could be considered anti-muslim. unless you choose to see past it and see it for what it is.

Originally Posted by punky

Whilst everyone is falling over themselves to try and extricate the I word from this thread... Anyone actually know why there is an exemption in the first place?

well i did read this morning on a different site (i will try to find it again )that closing this loophole would also mean that a smacking ban would also have have to be imposed on grand mothers ect aswell ,don't see the connection myself and i will try to confirm that


here you go

The corporal punishment exemption also covers Sunday schools, home tutors and other people who are considered to be acting 'in loco parentis'.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1243871/Double-standards-row-Ed-Balls-refuses-ban-smacking-mosque-schools-avoid-upsetting-Muslim-sensitivities.html#ixzz0csClFW9K

Originally Posted by Gary L

Which in pointing that out you could be considered anti-muslim. unless you choose to see past it and see it for what it is.

Once again, Gary, you are being selective with your interpretation of facts.

Kymmy pointed out that if those incidents had occurred, it would be breaking the law, not using a "loophole" - valid point.

You, however, only highlighted the alleged issue in regards to Muslims, even though the Daily Mail article also pointed out

The corporal punishment exemption also covers Sunday schools, home tutors and other people who are considered to be acting 'in loco parentis'.
They can still smack children as long as the punishment is 'reasonable' - the same rule as applies to parents.
But experts* suspect the real problems occur in madrasahs, although they believe it also an issue with some fundamentalist Christian Sunday schools.

You don't have to quote the whole article, as you intimated (boo hoo, everyone's picking on poor Gary....) - you just appear extremely selective in your quotes.

(as I pointed out before - what "experts"?)

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

here you go

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1243871/Double-standards-row-Ed-Balls-refuses-ban-smacking-mosque-schools-avoid-upsetting-Muslim-sensitivities.html#ixzz0csClFW9K

That's the same link as the original?

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

You don't have to quote the whole article, as you intimated (boo hoo, everyone's picking on poor Gary....) - you just appear extremely selective in your quotes.

I'm not being selective in anything. you're being selective in quoting what you want to quote now to go with your part in the debate.
so I do actually have to quote the whole article. even if it's just to please you

(as I pointed out before - what "experts"?)

Don't know if these count.

A report just over a year ago warned that madrasah students had been slapped, punched and had their ears twisted.

Irfan Chishti, a former Government adviser on Islamic affairs, said that one madrasah student was 'picked up by one leg and spun around' while another pupil said a teacher was 'kicking in my head like a football'.

In a separate report in 2006, leading British Muslim Dr Ghayasuddin Siddiqui raised fears that physical abuse in madrasahs was 'widespread'.

Anyhoo, Gary - I thought you were in favour of smacking as a form of discipline?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Anyhoo, Gary - I thought you were in favour of smacking as a form of discipline?

I am. just not in favour of abuse.

That's the same link as the original?

i know i just read the whole article ,yes i even read the bit at the bottom that the mail hope people don't get to cos that's were they tend to put the facts

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Which in pointing that out you could be considered anti-muslim. unless you choose to see past it and see it for what it is.

So you're equating the fact that you put in your own title that could be considered biased against muslims with my facts gleamed from the articles..

PMSL.....

Thank you ever so much for displaying your viewpoint here and making it clearer to everyone your stance on this originally anti-muslim thread..

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

So you're equating the fact that you put in your own title that could be considered biased against muslims with my facts gleamed from the articles..

What?

PMSL.....

Thank you ever so much for displaying your viewpoint here and making it clearer to everyone your stance on this originally anti-muslim thread..

What?

You mentioned the word Muslims. I said if 'I' had done that I would be accused of making clear my stance to everyone. just like the way you just did.

I think she's pointing out your prejudices, Gary.

[rogerdraig]

hmm so now people want to stop parents being able to give those they leave their kids with the right to punish their child in the ay they believe is right and lawful ?

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Originally Posted by Gary L

I am. just not in favour of abuse.

not in favour of abuse myself but smacking isn't automatically abuse in law or in real life

i have never been in favour of its use in mainstream schooling as parents there often have little idea of who the teacher is

but in situations where they choose the teacher and mostly know them well then they should be able to hand over thier parental choices to the person they are giving loco parentis too

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

I think she's pointing out your prejudices, Gary.

Oh. I didn't know that.