Mansfield teacher arrested over All Saints pupil assault - Page 3

Nugget · 10-07-2009, 10:36

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I went to Christopher Wren school, in Sheperds Bush, London, And if you misbehaved in school, you got punished by the slipper in front of the whole school, and it did not do me any harm, what it did do, was respect my elders.

And taught you to slightly overdo it on the commas

10-07-2009, 11:09

While sad this does not surprise me infact the only surprise here is that it hasn't hapeened before and more often. Right now we have a generations of kids growing up with no boundaries because parents have no powers anymore to discipline neither do the schools and the police have little effective power over some of them as well.

Yes there are some bad parents blah blah blah but the majority are good parents with no real way to enforce on there kids rules when the kids push it as they always do in their teens and we are going to reap the rewards of this in years to come.

I had the cane when i was a kid i think i might have been one of the last to have it and can state right now it didn't do me any harm physically or psychologically what it did teach me was where the line was and what happened when i crossed it a valuable lesson that none of todays kids have so is it any wonder they feel contempt for us.

Like it or not respect comes first from acknowledging strength and we as adults have none anymore so we deserve little respect.

Russ · 10-07-2009, 11:14

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

I had the cane when i was a kid i think i might have been one of the last to have it and can state right now it didn't do me any harm physically or psychologically

Other than it made you advocate the use of weapons on children?

10-07-2009, 11:33

Not as a general rule only when nothing else works which was how it was used at the school where i got it.

Russ · 10-07-2009, 12:10

But you do advocate the use of weapons against children?

bringerofnoise · 10-07-2009, 12:25

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parents have no powers anymore to discipline neither do the schools and the police have little effective power over some of them as well.

They know that they are un-touchable, two 7-8 year olds put the window through at work and with feigned shock said "ooooh i wonder who threw these two rocks at that window?" and walked off laughing, had to ring police for insurance purposes and told the pc on the other end and he said it's the same everywhere.

I say lets send em on holiday because they are bored/misunderstood!!!

yup that will work.

**Damien** · 10-07-2009, 12:33

Does anyone have information this kid was being unruly?

10-07-2009, 12:35

As a last resort amongst the very small group of kids who will not understand anything else yes i do Russ. We do have to remember that by and large the vast majority of kds are not and will never be a problem but that small minority that are hell bent on trouble for whatever reason i believe anyone that has to deal with them should have a full arsenal to work with rather then being hamstrung as we are right now.

Caning any child is not something i like but i realise in some cases it is the only way you will get through to some kids, and having been one of those kids who took all the softly softly and loved it playing silly games that those who implement it were suckers for force was what was needed with me and it is the same today.

alferret · 10-07-2009, 12:37

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Originally Posted by Damien

Does anyone have information this kid was being unruly?

Read my earlier post, yes he was being unruly and he was goading the teacher.

**Paul** · 10-07-2009, 13:38

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Originally Posted by Russ B

But you do advocate the use of weapons against children?

Stop trying to twist it Russ.

and yes, I believe in the use of the cane.

10-07-2009, 13:39

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Originally Posted by alferret

Read my earlier post, yes he was being unruly and he was goading the teacher.

So being goaded is an excuse to beat the crap out of a child?

Russ · 10-07-2009, 13:54

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Originally Posted by Paul M

Stop trying to twist it Russ.

No Paul I'm not stopping anything. Last time I checked we're all entitled to views on here. The point I'm making is those who say "I had the cane when I was younger and it didn't affect me" completely fail to see the irony when they say they advocate the use of caning children.

LondonRoad · 10-07-2009, 15:19

I'm not in favour of caning or belting of children like there was previously. However, I do think that as an ultimate deterent the head teacher or rector should be allowed. The use of this would have to carefully monitored and be employed only after all other attempts at behaviour correction have failed.

I would hope that it would never be used but may be a useful tool for stressed teachers to threaten the continually unruly students with.

A half an hour waiting outside the rectors office wondering whether a decision to cane or not is being debated might do more to concentrate some minds than any other discipline currently available to teachers.

10-07-2009, 15:30

As you know full and well Russ i do not and am not advocate the use of corporal punishment willy nilly or as a general rule of dealing with any problem. But i do advocate it's use when all other reasonable avenues have been explored and proved to be useless which happens with some kids.

Reality is that we do have a very destructive small core of kids these days for whatever reason and in dealing with those more extreme measures then currently available are needed and should be there to be used by those in proper authority. If this was a one off incident then of course the teacher had no right to react in the way he did and even if it happened a few times before this incident i am sure there are other resolutions.

Fact is we know nothing right now about this young man or how he normally behaves but we do seem to have a well liked and respected teacher that appears to have completely gone off at the deep end. Maybe if for those persistent trouble makers there was a cane or a slipper we wouldn't have teachers reaching the end of their rope.

alferret · 10-07-2009, 16:00

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Originally Posted by dgardner

So being goaded is an excuse to beat the crap out of a child?

If someone were goading me, taking the urine and swearing at me regardless if they are 14 or 40 they would get a slap up the side of the head from me.

There was none or very little abusive behaviour towards teachers 25 or more years ago, get rid of discipline and this is the result unruly kids who have no respect for themselves, their parents, teachers, police or even people walking down the street.

Its about time we got back to the old ways of dealing with oiks.