Save a life and get sued!

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by piggy

the fact is he dosnt deserve a single bean, its all opinions and imo he should be sent on the next plane to switzerland and helped to die over there it would be cheaper.

as i said, i think if he wanted to die, he'd make sure of it. this is all a cry for help.

unfortunately, those who came to his aid did not follow the rules and regulations. yes, they 'saved' him (albeit, not from himself - I would place money on him trying a third time if the correct help is not sought), but no, it was not a job well done.

this incident could and should have been avoided totally - and I'm not just talking about what happened at hospital - I mean his whole degradation of a period of a few years. this should have been picked up and acted on years ago, either by family, 'friends' or doctors. THAT is the true failure at hand.

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by piggy

the fact is he dosnt deserve a single bean, its all opinions and imo he should be sent on the next plane to switzerland and helped to die over there it would be cheaper.

With all due respect Piggy I hope you never have to deal with somebody close to you needing help or understanding because they have a period of mental illness.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

The hospital made a mistake, BUT what should have happened is this, The guy has made several attempts on his OWN life, Everyone makes mistakes, BUT, l think it is totally unfair on the hospital to make this payout, and l still say he should give the money to charity, he doesn't deserve it.

We have so many people in life, that make a mockery of the compo system.

[piggy]

Originally Posted by harmitage

With all due respect Piggy I hope you never have to deal with somebody close to you needing help or understanding because they have a period of mental illness.

where has the mental illness angle come from? have i missed something?

are you assuming that because someone commits suicide they are mentally ill?

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by piggy

where has the mental illness angle come from? have i missed something?

are you assuming that because someone commits suicide they are mentally ill?

Depression is a mental illness. I don't know if everybody that attempts suicide has depression or is mentally ill? The individual we're talking about in this thread was diagnosed with depression.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Everyone is blowing this out of proportion, This guy has tried to kill himself TWICE, this is not the sign of depression, this is the sign of they want your attention all the time, l have a son with a mental problem, so l should now about depression.

I have a great sympathy with people that have depression it is a lonely feeling, If this guy wanted to die, he would do, we always have people that go out of there way to commit suicide, this is why we have the great organisation called The Samaritons, that talk to people and go unnoticed, But the second time this guy was saved, the hospital made a mistake, and he has mildly suffered, and sues, The gut does NOT deserve this money.

[Osem]

I have a solution - next time this guy tries to top himself the hospital just lets him have his way. How about that?.........

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

They gave him 4 times the normal dose of a drug which then left him permanently disabled. They messed up, pure and simple and he has therefore been awarded damages. Whats wrong with that?

Plenty, it's bad enough we have vultures chasing after ambulances without them sitting by patients beds waiting for them to wake up.

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Originally Posted by harmitage

It happened over 6 years ago. £90000 isn't a lot if he can't work.

If he was/is that ill he wouldn't have been working anyway

[piggy]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Plenty, it's bad enough we have vultures chasing after ambulances without them sitting by patients beds waiting for them to wake up.

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If he was/is that ill he wouldn't have been working anyway

also im asumming this chap has been on some kind of benefits in the past and will more than likely continue to be so in the future, i do hope they take them into account when his claim is settled.

[Teox]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Thats immaterial, he didn't end up with a damaged arm because of what he took to try to kill himself, he had a damaged arm because of a medical error.
In addition, he wanted to die. Imagine wanting to die but instead of that being 'saved' and having a crippled arm as a result of medical negligence.....

your right.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Plenty, it's bad enough we have vultures chasing after ambulances without them sitting by patients beds waiting for them to wake up.

Ah, the issue of ambulance chasing lawyers is a completely different topic. You haven't answered my original question.....

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Ah, the issue of ambulance chasing lawyers is a completely different topic. You haven't answered my original question.....

I thought I had the other day when I said

I have said for years that I dont think you should be able to sue the NHS, that doesn't mean they shouldn't be held accountable for their actions though nor that compensation shouldn't be paid for any mistakes, just that claims should be held before an independent board rather than lawyers milking the system to such a degree it's cheaper to pay out rather than fight actions.

That said I do find it quite irritating that he should get £90k, after all he deliberately set of the chain of events that caused his disability whereas if you were the victim of crime

CICB payout guidelines
Fractured wrist £4,000
Total deafness £40,000
Loss of both legs £100,000
Quadriplegia £250,000

[Mick Fisher]

Maybe you should qualify that with, the ensuing chain of events, set in motion by the deliberate acts of the victim resulted, through no action of the victim, in his said disability.

It is the incompetence and/or negligence relating to the administered treatment that is in question.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mick Fisher

It is the incompetence and/or negligence relating to the administered treatment that is in question.

If you read back I said that as early as post 6 my real issue is that he was able to sue at all, the NHS is under enough strain already without shyster lawyers getting in on the act. Am concerned the size of payout, I was when you consider what the victims of crime get but when you hear the 'hurt feelings' payouts, it softens it quite a bit.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Everyone is blowing this out of proportion, This guy has tried to kill himself TWICE, this is not the sign of depression, this is the sign of they want your attention all the time, l have a son with a mental problem, so l should now about depression.

That is oversimplifying things. Sometimes people do attempt suicide because they want attention, true ,but sometimes it *is* because they are depressed.

I have a great sympathy with people that have depression it is a lonely feeling, If this guy wanted to die, he would do, we always have people that go out of there way to commit suicide, this is why we have the great organisation called The Samaritons, that talk to people and go unnoticed, But the second time this guy was saved, the hospital made a mistake, and he has mildly suffered, and sues, The gut does NOT deserve this money.

His arm was damaged. He was arguably in a worse position after they saved him than before he attempted suicide. Depending on what benefits he was on, he may actually lose out because of the Compo (some benefits disappear when you have money).

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

The hospital made a mistake, BUT what should have happened is this, The guy has made several attempts on his OWN life, Everyone makes mistakes, BUT, l think it is totally unfair on the hospital to make this payout, and l still say he should give the money to charity, he doesn't deserve it.

We have so many people in life, that make a mockery of the compo system.

The fact that he has attempted suicide is irrelevant. The problem that this case highlights is possible failures in the hospital.

Giving people the wrong doses of drugs can kill or seriously injure them. Hospitals *should* have systems in place to prevent this. The fact that this guy recieved four times the normal dose (which is not slightly more however you dress it up suggests that in this case the system failed and failed badly. They need to find out why. Sometimes, the only way to make large organisations do this is to use legal action.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

If you read back I said that as early as post 6 my real issue is that he was able to sue at all, the NHS is under enough strain already without shyster lawyers getting in on the act. Am concerned the size of payout, I was when you consider what the victims of crime get but when you hear the 'hurt feelings' payouts, it softens it quite a bit.

Although if the hospital hadn't fouled up, then he would have no reason to sue..

I don't agree with sueing for the sake of it, but in this case, if the hospital can get his dose wrong, then they can get others wrong. The next one they get wrong could be given to an innocent person who then dies or is seriously injured.