50mbit or better upload speeds?

[broadbandbug]

Originally Posted by fugu

Dont know how true this is, but i was once told by an ex ntl employee that if 50% of the custmers were uploading at full speed it would crash the network. Guess it make some sense given the poor upload rates we recieve, and small increases in up speed.

It would not crash the network.. The upstream ports would probably be in congestion that is all.

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Originally Posted by Fatec

1)They are not rolling out docsis3, it's predocsis3, there is a difference (albeit not much)

2)They cant afford to rollout docsis3, they hit their budget and went straight over it within a month

3)It's going to take 2-3 years to fully roll out docsis3 as half of the network needs a complete overhaul.

4)As for BT, well, alot you dont know about that

5)Yes, docsis3 can provide 100Mbit symetrical, providing the network is in good shape, you dont over subscribe AND you have good network link ups, which VM do not, they are only just upgrading to 40G link ups, poor and will need upgrading yet again in the future.

6)50MBit is set to launch with STM, they are just undecided on the limits, are you seriously going to pay a high price for a premium product which your only allowed to use for 20 minutes?

Then there is the poor upload rates which they are going to supply with it, making them have the worst down/up ratio in the whole of the UK!

1. VM are rolling out EuroDoCSIS 3.0.. It is not pre-DoCSIS 3 at all!

2. AFAIK VM are still within its budget for 50Mb/s rollout. Latest announcement to NASDAQ confirmed this.

3. 50Mb/s will be available to all customers within 12 months. You don't need to overhaul the network to rollout Euro D3.0.. You may need to do work to get the most out of it

5. Core uplinks has nothing to do with ability to provide very fast upstreams.. The requirement will be to support QAM64 in the upstream which as Trax is correct to point out will require large amounts of work in the HFC network.

6. Some people will be quite happy to be able to use 50Mb/s for what ever limit they have during the day/evening just to get 50Mb/s for the overnight downloading

I still think that the initial upload speed will quite rapidly evolve to something more suitable/acceptable, but we will have to see won't we?

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by fugu

Dont know how true this is, but i was once told by an ex ntl employee that if 50% of the custmers were uploading at full speed it would crash the network. Guess it make some sense given the poor upload rates we recieve, and small increases in up speed.

It would also result in the sun falling from the Sky, the moon descending onto the oceans and causing a huge tsunami, and Sarah Palin to seem intelligent

Nah it would make virtually every connection on the network rather slow and cause some disconnections in some areas which are severely saturated, but wouldn't crash the entire network. Remember the network is very localised. The bandwidth you are using may not be the same as next door, and the uplinks from the CMTSes are certainly able to handle upstream saturation.

[|Kippa|]

Originally Posted by broadbandbug

I still think that the initial upload speed will quite rapidly evolve to something more suitable/acceptable, but we will have to see won't we?

How long do you think it will take for them to increase the upload speed? Even if it is by a small amount to like 2mbit up. Do you think they would increase it in the space of say 12 months after the launch?

[cook1984]

I'd take a 10/10 symmetrical connection.

[broadbandbug]

Originally Posted by |Kippa|

How long do you think it will take for them to increase the upload speed? Even if it is by a small amount to like 2mbit up. Do you think they would increase it in the space of say 12 months after the launch?

I would say that well within 12 months VM will be trialling higher upload speeds..
It will increase significantly over time, but it will be small steps once they go above 2.5Mb/s.

[Fatec]

Originally Posted by broadbandbug

I would say that well within 12 months VM will be trialling higher upload speeds..
It will increase significantly over time, but it will be small steps once they go above 2.5Mb/s.

Maybe it will be another 4 year trial like 50Mbit

Upload is set to go to 2.5Mbit in late 09, early 2010.

So you're going to be waiting years to get good upload here

Then there is future STM etc, complete waste of time!

[cook1984]

Originally Posted by Fatec

Upload is set to go to 2.5Mbit in late 09, early 2010.

Hmm, that could tempt me back maybe, assuming you are talking about one of the more reasonably priced packages because £50/month for 2.5 up is silly.

Then there is future STM etc, complete waste of time!

Oh, forget it then...

[Impz2002]

against my better judgement i am seriously considering signing up for 50meg. i know the massive flaws in the package but it is the fastest thats viable for me and the extra upload wouldnt go amiss.

Impz

[Fatec]

Originally Posted by cook1984

Hmm, that could tempt me back maybe, assuming you are talking about one of the more reasonably priced packages because £50/month for 2.5 up is silly.

Only for 50Mbit, uploads are not increasing for other tiers.

Oh, forget it then...

Indeed, luckily i leave the UK in april for a much much better life in france and with 100Mbit symetrical for 60euro/m.

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Originally Posted by Impz2002

against my better judgement i am seriously considering signing up for 50meg. i know the massive flaws in the package but it is the fastest thats viable for me and the extra upload wouldnt go amiss.

Impz

Fastest, for 20 Minutes, it may be worth it while there isnt STM on it, but once there is, you may as well be on 10Mbit adsl as downloads will still be finished in the morning.

[broadbandbug]

Originally Posted by Fatec

Maybe it will be another 4 year trial like 50Mbit

Upload is set to go to 2.5Mbit in late 09, early 2010.

So you're going to be waiting years to get good upload here

Then there is future STM etc, complete waste of time!

It will be in trial way before end 09

[Fatec]

Originally Posted by broadbandbug

It will be in trial way before end 09

I know that, but it isnt going to be rolled out till late 09, early 2010

[broadbandbug]

Originally Posted by Fatec

Only for 50Mbit, uploads are not increasing for other tiers.



Indeed, luckily i leave the UK in april for a much much better life in france and with 100Mbit symetrical for 60euro/m.

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Fastest, for 20 Minutes, it may be worth it while there isnt STM on it, but once there is, you may as well be on 10Mbit adsl as downloads will still be finished in the morning.

Uploads will increase for other tiers.. Remember other Tiers are being migrated to DoCSIS 2.0/3.0 so will be able to make use of higher modulation schemes as they become available.

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Originally Posted by Fatec

Only for 50Mbit, uploads are not increasing for other tiers.



Indeed, luckily i leave the UK in april for a much much better life in france and with 100Mbit symetrical for 60euro/m.

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Fastest, for 20 Minutes, it may be worth it while there isnt STM on it, but once there is, you may as well be on 10Mbit adsl as downloads will still be finished in the morning.

Originally Posted by Fatec

I know that, but it isnt going to be rolled out till late 09, early 2010

I think it will start rolling out earlier than that.. But we will see.

Not to forget the analogue switch off will enable more frequrencies to be used which will help the bandwidth vm dont have

[Fatec]

Originally Posted by broadbandbug

Uploads will increase for other tiers.. Remember other Tiers are being migrated to DoCSIS 2.0/3.0 so will be able to make use of higher modulation schemes as they become available.

Really? as far as i'm aware only the 20MBit tier is being moved over to docsis3 with the others staying on docsis1? hmm interesting, will check up on that.

Still, not use in higher upload speeds when you have STM anyway, just another way for you to get speed capped even quicker.

I think it will start rolling out earlier than that.. But we will see.

Have you seen VM's track record for keeping with dates

Originally Posted by Fatec

Have you seen VM's track record for keeping with dates

Yes they rolled out 10mb by the end of the third quarter as promised.

EVENTUALLY