ID cards rethink to be unveiled

[THESHAOLIN1]

Originally Posted by Damien

Obviously it's not the only thing they don't educate on...

i type so fast, im allowed spelling errors. + only fools point out irrelivant spelling mistakes such as that. so

EDIT - Derek S : Link removed

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist

atleast that cat reads unlike you.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by BBKing

Would it bother you that the police now have to spend their time investigating law abiding citizens to make sure they have their papers in order, instead of, say, preventing and investigating crime?

Well they have to spend a considerable amount of time checking that law abiding citizens are actually law abiding citizens and not criminals giving dingy details already.
Still seeing some of the intravenous drug using citizens don't tend to bother with personal hygiene I don't think them not carrying an ID card would bother them. If you get jailed for not carrying one there isn't any places left and fines imposed wouldn't get paid.

I think it's a good idea. I just don't trust this government to implement it without making a complete hash of things.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by THESHAOLIN1

i type so fast, im allowed spelling errors. + only fools point out irrelivant spelling mistakes such as that. so

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atleast that cat reads unlike you.

I read links too, such as the one above which you're trying to use to get people to log out of CF should they follow it. Not that it would succeed.

[THESHAOLIN1]

Originally Posted by Derek S

Well they have to spend a considerable amount of time checking that law abiding citizens are actually law abiding citizens and not criminals giving dingy details already.
Still seeing some of the intravenous drug using citizens don't tend to bother with personal hygiene I don't think them not carrying an ID card would bother them. If you get jailed for not carrying one there isn't any places left and fines imposed wouldn't get paid.

I think it's a good idea. I just don't trust this government to implement it without making a complete hash of things.

the thing people need to understand. I.D cards are a breech of your rights n freedom + clearly the more they can take the **** they obviously will if you accept this like nothing the microchips will follow soon after, dunno about you but i was born a free human with my own basic human rights and ambitions and abilities, skills and talents. All of what are being breeched and abused by a government who is on puppet strings producing products rather than humans with there own minds to think freely n express thereselves uniquely....



and the reason its happening is because the older generations dont seem to give two toss's or know how the system runs in the slightest and the younger generation are more lost than hurley, lock n them.

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

I read links too, such as the one above which you're trying to use to get people to log out of CF should they follow it. Not that it would succeed.

make a lame comment recieve a lame answer.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by THESHAOLIN1

make a lame comment recieve a lame answer.

If you can't contribute anything meaningful to the discussion don't bother contributing at all.

And DO NOT post another link to log people out of the board

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by THESHAOLIN1

i type so fast, im allowed spelling errors. + only fools point out irrelivant spelling mistakes such as that. so

EDIT - Derek S : Link removed

Mind you, it takes a special type of mind to make a spelling mistake in a post criticising somebody who pointed out a spelling mistake...

Once the state was the servant of the people, but now it's becoming the master of the people. Never have the British people had to explain themselves to the state unless the state had grounds for suspicion. That relationship has been rebalanced.

And it's all fine under a benign government. However, I don't believe this government is benign enough to merit that kind of trust, and I'm certainly not prepared to believe that all future governments will be.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by freezin

Once the state was the servant of the people.

Since when?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Since when?

when you were just a twinkle in your dadys eye[ the good old days]

A lot of countries have ID cards and so far i havn't read about the chip implanting program so pardon me if i see that as paranoid BS. BB while some have a slanted view of the police i don't and if i am not doing anything wrong i certainly wouldn't expect to be stopped by a police oifficer. It is not the card i am opposed too it is this government trying to implement it with the record they have.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

when you were just a twinkle in your dadys eye[ the good old days]

Rose tinted glasses? Can I borrow them on Mondays?

People have always been the servants of the state.
People cannot control government.
They can vote them in and out, but once in power, they're firmly in a position of governance.
Look at the referendum vote, all parties said they'd hold one, Labour and LibDem whips ordered their members to tow the party line rather than vote how their constituants would have wanted.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Since when?

Probably since the 1950s. Since then the state has amassed itself all sorts of new powers over the people, from gaining more than 200 extra ways to enter private homes (from the 10 it had before) to infringing on the right to free speech and peaceful protest, to having to report in whenever changing address for ID card purposes, etc, etc, etc.

We have laws that are now drafted so broadly, individuals have little protection against officials behaving officiously or vindictively.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by freezin

Probably since the 1950s. Since then the state has amassed itself all sorts of new powers over the people, from gaining more than 200 extra ways to enter private homes (from the 10 it had before) to infringing on the right to free speech and peaceful protest, to having to report in whenever changing address for ID card purposes, etc, etc, etc.

We have laws that are now drafted so broadly, individuals have little protection against officials behaving officiously or vindictively.

The state wasn't the servant of the people back in the 50's, nor before.
Don't forget, in the 50's there were ID cards...

[ginge51]

This is pathetic.
What gets me most is "the conspiracy theories" what everyone was going on about.
They were laughing about 2-3 years back when people from the "conspiracey theries " side said that governments in Europe and U.S.A were trying to implement these,aswell as body chi[ps in the future.
It's about fxxxxxg time us lazy axx people get off our backsides and tell the idiots in government(aledgedly there to serve us,not the other way around ) that we don't want certain things and if they try and force this without a public vote we should protest on mass.
Them "conspiracy theories" said years back this was going to happen,yet everyone laughed in their faces,now look It's all true.
I certainly don't want this card crap,i should be able to go,do,say anything i want to a certain extent.
Pathetic.
Btw....
I wonder who will get the rough end of the straw on this in the long run?
Will it be the working class?................
Will it be the mp's and there entourage who made this happen?
Will the royals have to carry this?
I think i know what/who will be targeted here?

Madness.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

The state wasn't the servant of the people back in the 50's, nor before.
Don't forget, in the 50's there were ID cards...

It was a lot more so then than it's been evolving into since. I'd say that's an indisputable fact. And ID cards were abolished in the 1952 (having only been required from 1939). Government responded to the pressure, unlike now.