Don't treat the old and unhealthy, say doctors

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by TheNorm

Actually, NI doesn't seem to have much to do with the NHS:



http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTax...Tax/DG_4015904

I'm amazed at that, and stand corrected.
It seems that paying NI and taxes entitles this countries citizens to only whatever NHS care our GP's deem appropriate, regardless of actual need.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Maybe the same situation i had once xaccers in the morning when my dying relative was at home my boss wouldn't give me time off. By the afternoon when the doctor had come and said they really needed to be admitted to hospital i could have off all the time i needed. Stupid i know but i doubt mine was the only idiot employer in the country.

Other than making a formal complaint against the boss, it doesn't explain why hospitalisation would stop his sister from being at her house, while being home wouldn't.

[Chrysalis]

more evidence we becoming a survival of the fittest nation, similiarities to nazis?

[DocDutch]

I just wish that there was a way to stop paying NI... there is just no need for it if you have private med care from your employer

with regards to the topic.. I can see where this is coming from, if you have a look down the street how many over 80s do you see walking about? There are just too many of them and yes I agree they have done their fair share of everything (ww2 etc)

Originally Posted by DocDutch

I just wish that there was a way to stop paying NI... there is just no need for it if you have private med care from your employer

with regards to the topic.. I can see where this is coming from, if you have a look down the street how many over 80s do you see walking about? There are just too many of them and yes I agree they have done their fair share of everything (ww2 etc)

Your NI pays for your's and everyone else's pensions.Health care is paid for by income tax.

[DocDutch]

cheers Coggy I never knew that thought that NI was also for health care.

[slowcoach]

Originally Posted by DocDutch

with regards to the topic.. I can see where this is coming from, if you have a look down the street how many over 80s do you see walking about? There are just too many of them and yes I agree they have done their fair share of everything (ww2 etc)

Appearances can be deceptive, the reason that there appears to be a lot of over 80's walking about is that the rest of the nation is either driving about or is sat in front of the telly, neither of which will help them reach their 70's let alone their 80's.

Good point..mind round here where it's flat I'm just as likely to be mowed down by a 70/80 year old on one of those mobility chairs.

[superbiatch]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Good point..mind round here where it's flat I'm just as likely to be mowed down by a 70/80 year old on one of those mobility chairs.

You and me both, they go round in clans here!

Originally Posted by superbiatch

You and me both, they go round in clans here!

Actually being on the south coast and living in a retirement village where there are several McCarthy and Stone Retirement Ghettos, there are a high percentage of the elderly wandering around my high street.We are about to have a mobility shop in the high street so I can see a few doing a grand prix around our one way system.

[superbiatch]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Actually being on the south coast and living in a retirement village where there are several McCarthy and Stone Retirement Ghettos, there are a high percentage of the elderly wandering around my high street.We are about to have a mobility shop in the high street so I can see a few doing a grand prix around our one way system.

Be wary of 'open days' being held by the mobility shop. They caught me out one sunday when I thought they were all heading towards the bingo. They had in fact received flyers through their doors offering them a free service on their scooters! I was worried for my life (in my car!) when 10 scooters came hurtling down the road with lively pensioners onboard

[shabbychic]

Originally Posted by Shaun

"Among the survey of 870 family and hospital doctors, almost 60 per cent said the NHS could not provide full healthcare to everyone and that some individuals should pay for services"

Easy to say when your're on £100k

good point, perhaps the NHS high earners ought to pay for their own treatment?

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I can't believe they have forgotten all the NI the elderly have paid through their lives to be finally told to sod off because of their age!

well said!
how about those who have never worked a day in their lives (not even yet bothering to get a job, because they are too lazy) but end up in A&E on a saturday night because they have either drank too much or taken drugs

i think anything that is self infliced (smoking or alcohol related for eg) and im a smoker myself, should'nt receive treatment.
although, as another FM pointed out, how do you police it? knew a bloke who had a lung problem (genetic) but still smoked, he packed in twice before his operations, and started again as soon as he recovered

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by shabbychic

...i think anything that is self infliced (smoking or alcohol related for eg) and im a smoker myself, should'nt receive treatment.
although, as another FM pointed out, how do you police it? ...

Easy - you say to the patient "we will not replace your hip until you have lost 20kg", or "no liver transplant for you unless you quit drinking for three months". (There are blood tests that can be used for alcohol, tobacco, and many drugs)

[shabbychic]

Originally Posted by TheNorm

Easy - you say to the patient "we will not replace your hip until you have lost 20kg", or "no liver transplant for you unless you quit drinking for three months". (There are blood tests that can be used for alcohol, tobacco, and many drugs)

and just pray and hope they dont do what george best did

[Jules]

Well all I can say it I am going to be well up the creek without me paddle if they start doing this.