still racist

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

I personally think there is a persecution complex floating around all ethnic groups. If anything happens its always because of race. Not because they were seen leaving a crack house or 6 months ago they kicked some poor chaps head in. Cry race hate just to get your own way is just plain wrong and imo as racist as someone calling someone names.

The issue of racial discrimination in the work place and respectable areas of life should not be tolerated full stop but again this needs ot be done carefully. There are cases where someone fails to get a job and then says its cuz of race but this has no foundation at all. Its always going to hard to judge when something is racist or not as lets face it the excuse of race has been abused by those the race laws are there to protect

Discrimination in the workplace does annoy me, I went to HR and spoke out in my last place of employment about it.

A guy who had been working for the company for years had serious stress problems, he had been off work for 6 months and returned. He made a mistake coming back to work full time and was finding it very difficult and wanted to work a 3 day week to see how he got on, and gradually increase his hours. The HR department refused to budge because they said it would make him a 'special case' with changes to his contract that others could also expect.

I pointed out the Asian Pakistani who would only work a maximum of 30 hours a week, and the reply was 'Thats different, its for religious reasons' although I knew it had nothing to do with religious reasons.

The bottom line is society is now controlled by the pc brigade and are afraid to treat everyone the same, unfortunately 'some' asians and blacks play on this situation whilst the rest get on with life.

I was also in a car a few years ago with a black woman who had been drinking wine, in fact the bottle was rolling around on the passenger side. We got stopped and she started ranting at him because he was being racist stopping her and not all the other motorists, she was threatening to report him for racial harrasment and all sorts. The officer just let her on her way, of course stopping her had nothing to do with her dangerous driving it was all about her being black wasn't it !

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Escapee

I was also in a car a few years ago with a black woman who had been drinking wine, in fact the bottle was rolling around on the passenger side. We got stopped and she started ranting at him because he was being racist stopping her and not all the other motorists, she was threatening to report him for racial harrasment and all sorts. The officer just let her on her way, of course stopping her had nothing to do with her dangerous driving it was all about her being black wasn't it !

You're saying that the car you were in was being driven dangerously by a woman who was drunk, and the officer just let you go?

I find that extremely hard to believe (if thats what you are saying).

[Stuart]

The problem is that for society to be truly integrated, everyone needs to make compromises.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Escapee

I was also in a car a few years ago with a black woman who had been drinking wine, in fact the bottle was rolling around on the passenger side. We got stopped and she started ranting at him because he was being racist stopping her and not all the other motorists, she was threatening to report him for racial harrasment and all sorts. The officer just let her on her way, of course stopping her had nothing to do with her dangerous driving it was all about her being black wasn't it !

How much had you been drinking in order to get into a car and remain in the car while she was driving dangerously and drunk?

You know, I'd live to hear about this religious reason for an Asian Pakistani to only work 30 hours.

[dcclanuk]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

How much had you been drinking in order to get into a car and remain in the car while she was driving dangerously and drunk?

You know, I'd live to hear about this religious reason for an Asian Pakistani to only work 30 hours.

As an ASIAN [indian], I know there is certainly NOTHING in the religious books telling u how much u should work!

Heck, us indians [asians] are known for working as much as possible!
There is even a joke about it.. it is NOT RACIST IN MY EYES, if it is to u, please reply back.

It goes like this....

xxxx person is indian, xxxxx person is indian, but GOD is not indian... why?
Because what type of indian doesnt work on a Sunday! [u know god rested on sunday while creating the world]

i couldnt remember the joke exactly, but u can get the jist of what it is trying to say...

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

thats out of goodness Gracious Me isnt it.......

I work a 40 hour week, Im a lazy indian!

[superbiatch]

Originally Posted by dcclanuk

As an ASIAN [indian], I know there is certainly NOTHING in the religious books telling u how much u should work!

Heck, us indians [asians] are known for working as much as possible!
There is even a joke about it.. it is NOT RACIST IN MY EYES, if it is to u, please reply back.

It goes like this....

xxxx person is indian, xxxxx person is indian, but GOD is not indian... why?
Because what type of indian doesnt work on a Sunday! [u know god rested on sunday while creating the world]

i couldnt remember the joke exactly, but u can get the jist of what it is trying to say...

I think some have used their religion in a negative way and this has unfortunately tarred the rest with the same brush in some cases.

For instance my ex used to work in a factory where he worked with muslims (not 100% about that so don't shoot me!). He mentioned they disappeared so many times a day to pull out their prayer mats and pray, nothing wrong with that provided everyone is entitled to the same. The bit that got me was when their religion didn't allow them to drink, smoke or gamble (or so i was told) and they accompanied my ex and the rest of the company to a day at the races, drinking and smoking

[punky]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

How much had you been drinking in order to get into a car and remain in the car while she was driving dangerously and drunk?

You know, I'd live to hear about this religious reason for an Asian Pakistani to only work 30 hours.

I do know of a few Muslims that get time off for prayer sessions, particularly on Friday. I don't know how much, but its not just Fridays for some. I do know of some Muslims that don't take any though.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by superbiatch

I think some have used their religion in a negative way and this has unfortunately tarred the rest with the same brush in some cases.

For instance my ex used to work in a factory where he worked with muslims (not 100% about that so don't shoot me!). He mentioned they disappeared so many times a day to pull out their prayer mats and pray, nothing wrong with that provided everyone is entitled to the same. The bit that got me was when their religion didn't allow them to drink, smoke or gamble (or so i was told) and they accompanied my ex and the rest of the company to a day at the races, drinking and smoking

This reminds me of something that happens where I work.

A couple of years back, the muslim students used to congregate at the bottom of one of the fireescapes to pray. If one or two did this, it would not be a problem. However, they frequently had more than 20 people. Thus, it was a major safety hazard (the fire exit was essentially blocked while they were praying).

Not one asked if the Uni would provide anywhere, and they complained when asked by the building's safety officer to move.

Eventually, they did ask, and a room was booked for them, which they still use. Although when they are washing their feet, they still leave all the toilets in a state.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Just a couple of pointers on muslims praying at work.....

Assuming a muslim works a 9 to 5 day. In winter they would pray 3 of the 5 prayers at work(when the days are shorter).

In summer (longer days) then its likely that they would pray a maximum of 2 prayers at work, and then from June July onwards only one. (i.e the afternoon prayer)

Most companies I work for have a multifaith prayer room or quiet room. All the muslims I know who pray at work are not taking breaks all day, or running off at all times of the day to prayer. The afternoon and late afternoon prayers would take a maximum of 5 mins each, and one can definately vbe offered during a lunch break.

Whenever I have prayed at work it has come out of my own time, it doesnt effect my hours worked and thats how it is with all other muslims I know that choose to pray 5 times a day (or at work).

If we compare this to smoking at work, I see a lot of smokers taking adhoc breaks when ever they want. a couple of my colleagues who smoke must take at least 4 5min smoking breaks a day, they also take their hour lunh break and go home on time.

I dont think praying at work is quite the problem (in terms of time) that people seem to mention it is.

[superbiatch]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

I dont think praying at work is quite the problem (in terms of time) that people seem to mention it is.

This is going back at least five years ago, maybe these particular muslims were in fact playing on the naivety of the management who were probably not educated enough to challenge them.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Gavin

I do know of a few Muslims that get time off for prayer sessions, particularly on Friday. I don't know how much, but its not just Fridays for some. I do know of some Muslims that don't take any though.

I would say that most muslims who go for prayers on Friday are actually doing so in their lunch time/own time, or taking the time that would have been given for lunch.

Or are you saying that they take a lunch break (say an hour) and then go for their Friday prayers (say another 45min to 1 hour)

Originally Posted by jkat

this has to stop.

What has to stop exactly ?

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Most companies I work for have a multifaith prayer room or quiet room. All the muslims I know who pray at work are not taking breaks all day, or running off at all times of the day to prayer. The afternoon and late afternoon prayers would take a maximum of 5 mins each, and one can definately vbe offered during a lunch break.

Well, on our campus we actually have a chapel (I do mean a chapel - it's even available for weddings) that happily accepts people of ALL faiths for prayer. It may be because it is a chapel and not a standard room, but the Muslims refused to use it.

[Jules]

There will always be racism, be it directed at blacks, whites or any other creed/cast/colour sadly it is just the way the world is and I am sorry but political correctness just makes things worse and breeds resentment!