Creationism vs Evolution, Equal?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Damien

Evolution is not threated by Creationism in terms of proof or science. Evolutionists do not think that, logically, creationism can disprove evolution. What we are fearful of is religion and its theory dominating science and pushing science aside in the minds of young children and filling it with a faith.

I don't see the problem with faith and science working alongside each other. There is narrowmindedness on both sides and as this forum (and indeed this very thread) has proven, it occurs in at least equal amounts.

A good side which demonstrates in many ways how they can co-exist is www.godandscience.org

Originally Posted by Damien

Children have faith in what they are told by adults, to abuse this position to convert or bring a child to believe in the same religion you do is not on IMO.

It is when you want what you believe is best for them. Kids will grow up knowing your views on politics too.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Santa Clause

But Father Christmas is real though, I've seen him.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by homealone

one word - perspective, in my opinion a person should not ridicule what they don't believe in, just stating your own belief should be enough, why comment on others

That should be the daily mantra for many CF users.

[Mal]

Originally Posted by homealone

- I was born in a star, for example

Why didn't you melt?

It is when you want what you believe is best for them. Kids will grow up knowing your views on politics too.

I dont think its right, but in the home thats peoples business. But NOT schools.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Mal

Why didn't you melt?

Asbestos nappies.

I don't see the problem with faith and science working alongside each other. There is narrowmindedness on both sides and as this forum (and indeed this very thread) has proven, it occurs in at least equal amounts.

A good side which demonstrates in many ways how they can co-exist is www.godandscience.org

I dont care if people want to believe in a god or not. I object when people then try to blur science or force religion around in underhanded ways to match that religion. If they have faith in it then trust that people will come to it. But dont try to make it seem that creationism is anything to do with science.

Science and Religion can work fine with each other until they dont agree and when that happens they should be kept as far away as possible. Scientists dont try and campaign to get churchs to provide both theorys.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Damien

I dont think its right, but in the home thats peoples business. But NOT schools.

I see where you're coming from with that but your original point about how you bring your child up, that seems to more refer to the home.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Russ B

It is when you want what you believe is best for them. Kids will grow up knowing your views on politics too.

I see that as totally flawed as you said it yourself, "It is when you want" So you're saying kids don't have a choice then.

I for one find these threads and subjects very interesting, I might not agree or post my views as I really can't see the point in doing so, it's pointless (It's a 100% cert no win argument for either side).

But I think I can see that both sides do have there valid points regardless. And it's that I do find fascinating (in a good way that is). But they always end in frustrations all too easily.

Originally Posted by Russ B

I see where you're coming from with that but your original point about how you bring your child up, that seems to more refer to the home.

Well, My point is that children will believe that they are told from adults, especially teachers and parents. I cant question the parenting inside peoples homes, I would argue that using that trust to get the child to believe in the same thing you do when its clear that are other valid alternatives is questionable. They should be able to explore, In my school we had people who tutted when the teacher talked about evolution. They are taught what their parents want them to believe before they are smart and old enough to seprate fact from belief.

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Like I said, Many people find a faith when they are older. I have no problem with that, or with them believing what they want. Generally its a positive thing. Its just the portrayal to others, especially young people, that Creationism is equal to Evolution in terms of proof/likelyhood

[Russ]

Originally Posted by peanutkp

I see that as totally flawed as you said it yourself, "It is when you want" So you're saying kids don't have a choice then.

Up to a certain age no they don't. My daughter doesn't have a choice about whether or not she has to wear a seatbelt in her car seat. I will make that decision for her as I believe to be in a car without it is dangerous. I also believe that her growing up without Christianity is also dangerous so I will teach her about it as I believe it's in her best interests. When she's old enough to make up her own mind she's free to do as she pleases. Until then she plays by my rules (faith-related or not).

Originally Posted by Damien

Well, My point is that children will believe that they are told from adults, especially teachers and parents. I cant question the parenting inside peoples homes, I would argue that using that trust to get the child to believe in the same thing you do when its clear that are other valid alternatives is questionable. They should be able to explore, In my school we had people who tutted when the teacher talked about evolution. They are taught what their parents want them to believe before they are smart and old enough to seprate fact from belief.

It's up to the schools to provide alternatives. Whilst she lives with me she will have as good a Christian upbringing as I can cultivate. I make no apologies for this and neither should I be expected to. As a parent we do what we think is best for our kids, regardless of how 'trendy' it may or may not be.

It's up to the schools to provide alternatives.

Its only a alternative if you have the faith. If not, its a story. Hence the problem. Schools are there to teach. They can do creationism in RE but not in science because Creationism is part of a religion and not a science. It doesnt have proof.

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Whilst she lives with me she will have as good a Christian upbringing as I can cultivate. I make no apologies for this and neither should I be expected to. As a parent we do what we think is best for our kids, regardless of how 'trendy' it may or may not be

I wasnt referring to you especially, just generally. And I dont expect you to apologies as its your life. Like I said, I cant question peoples indivdual parenting.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Up to a certain age no they don't. My daughter doesn't have a choice about whether or not she has to wear a seatbelt in her car seat. I will make that decision for her as I believe to be in a car without it is dangerous. I also believe that her growing up without Christianity is also dangerous so I will teach her about it as I believe it's in her best interests. When she's old enough to make up her own mind she's free to do as she pleases. Until then she plays by my rules (faith-related or not).
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Now you're talking. I can easily say that's out of order, but it's not, because it's not my place to say so eitherway.

It does goes against everything 'I' believe, but that's me, I hope my kids have a choice, but you can also argue that as well.

It's like the kids on that Louis Theroux - Most hated family in America, they were only kids, I mean those 3-4 year olds, they followed their parents (sect or whatever), they don't have a choice, yet we judged them and said how wrong that was. What if they did have a choice?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Russ B

I don't see the problem with faith and science working alongside each other.

Interestingly enough, neither does the Pope

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...=1811&ito=1490

[Russ]

Originally Posted by peanutkp

Now you're talking. I can easily say that's out of order, but it's not, because it's not my place to say so eitherway.

And it's just your opinion too (which doesn't mean you're right!). I'm not going to avoid bringing my daughter up in a way just because it's not 'trendy' or 'politically correct'.

Originally Posted by peanutkp

It's like the kids on that Louis Theroux - Most hated family in America, they were only kids, I mean those 3-4 year olds, they followed their parents (sect or whatever), they don't have a choice, yet we judged them and said how wrong that was. What if they did have a choice?

Bit of an extreme example there - however the day anyone can show I'm preaching hate to my daughter about any section of society is the day you're welcome to wheel me off to prison.