BNP manifesto

Originally Posted by danielf

I would imagine they thought your contribution was thought provoking, convincing, and exceptionally subtle and even-handed.

I like to feel they took on board the support I gave to the democratic process.

By the time they left I was feeling so benevolent I offered them some plasters for the nasty grazes on their knuckles.

Elections certainly do bring us all together.

[Xaccers]

ooo can I have a real MP5 then? Might be a bit messy if I take the wrong one to my next airsoft skirmish!
Oh hang on, it's made by the Germans, doubt I'll be allowed it, but hang on, wasn't the SA80 range of guns "fixed" by the German H&K?
I don't want to have an american armalite!
Hmm, wonder if I'd be allowed to have an american built M8 even though it's german designed...

Do the BNP members not realise just how stupid they sound?
Can we not sue them for defermation of charactor as their policies and party beliefs are certainly not British?
Would national service actually be a good thing, I've often wondered, but being too young to have any experience I don't know. Looking at other countries it seems to work where there is national pride, but where there isn't, it's quite a joke.

[NitroNutter]

Originally Posted by danielf

Oops. So you have... Sorry, I missed that one. Anyway, great minds think alike I suppose

Or could it be "fools seldom differ" :P

[danielf]

Originally Posted by NitroNutter

Or could it be "fools seldom differ" :P

Possibly, but it would be hard to examine the extent of our foolishness, unless you were willing to divulge a little.

[NitroNutter]

Originally Posted by danielf

Possibly, but it would be hard to examine the extent of our foolishness, unless you were willing to divulge a little.

Well to get the gun doesnt just intail standing in a que, first you need to vote BNP, then if your not of an age to be conscripted to national service you would have to do national service voluntarily, and once youve completed that service you would then have the right to the gun for domestic living.
Now you can threaten BNP door knockers at will

[jtwn]

Mr Griffin also wants the reintroduction of national service...

....and if in the end a tyrannical government wants to usurp the rights and freedoms of the people

Do they not proof read these things?

[danielf]

Originally Posted by NitroNutter

Well to get the gun doesnt just intail standing in a que, first you need to vote BNP, then if your not of an age to be conscripted to national service you would have to do national service voluntarily, and once youve completed that service you would then have the right to the gun for domestic living.
Now you can threaten BNP door knockers at will

Ah, that's me buggered then. I can't vote in this country (bar local elections) due to me being a bloody foreigner. I will just have to take a baseball bat* to the guys (I'm sure they will appreciate the style of reasoning)

* strike that (sic) A cricket bat would be more in line with local custom.

[BBKing]

Do they not proof read these things?

Shh - I like the idea that their manifesto says we're allowed to shoot them.

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by BBKing

Asylum seekers != scroungers, Kevin. I'm surprised at someone normally as thoughtful as yourself making this Daily Mail Island type of error.

I am making the point that foreign workers who have gone through the correct red tape channels, often feel cheated by the ones who are slipping through the back door...(or should I say port)

My currect GF is a "bl**dy foreigner" (my little joke with her), and her feelings along with many of her foreign freinds are the same on this subject. They are annoyed because they had to complete conversion training in their own country for their profession before they were allowed in this country, so hard as it may seem to some her and her friends agree with stopping foreigners coming in here under different terms.

I was at a house party on Friday night, with the majority of attendees being foreign. (another barbecue with rice) I admit that I did feel uncomfortable when the guys were talking about this very subject, but they rightly do not consider themselves to be scrounging foreigners because they are here at the countries request and needs. One of them is a priest back in his home country and you can imagine what our discussion was like.

[BBKing]

All very well, but irrelevant, since your other half and friends aren't asylum seekers but, essentially, economic migrants* (the economy in question being our own, which has deficiencies in skills in certain areas). Ditto my grandad coming from Ireland to work in the Midlands metals industry - he got paid more, they filled a vacancy.

'Asylum seeker', before the unfair and prejudiced demonisation in the right-wing tabloids over the last few years, means 'someone seeking a safe place to live'. That some people choose to *masquerade* as asylum seekers is undeniable (and the point of the asylum system should be to categorise people as one or the other, and kick the latter out). There are many examples of people starting off as (legitimate) asylum seekers and becoming net contributors to society - every East African Asian I've ever met, for instance (they either drive BMWs or Saabs, in my experience). That's to be admired and celebrated, I think.

Lazily repeating the line that 'all asylum seekers are scroungers' does not move the debate on into a realm of honesty, but merely keeps it in the gutter where the Daily Mail, Express and Sun operate. Hence me pulling you up on it.

*Who vastly outnumber the asylum seekers, and are in turn vastly outnumbered by the number of students coming here from abroad to study (320,000 per year, I heard).

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by BBKing

All very well, but irrelevant, since your other half and friends aren't asylum seekers but, essentially, economic migrants* (the economy in question being our own, which has deficiencies in skills in certain areas). Ditto my grandad coming from Ireland to work in the Midlands metals industry - he got paid more, they filled a vacancy.

'Asylum seeker', before the unfair and prejudiced demonisation in the right-wing tabloids over the last few years, means 'someone seeking a safe place to live'. That some people choose to *masquerade* as asylum seekers is undeniable (and the point of the asylum system should be to categorise people as one or the other, and kick the latter out). There are many examples of people starting off as (legitimate) asylum seekers and becoming net contributors to society - every East African Asian I've ever met, for instance (they either drive BMWs or Saabs, in my experience). That's to be admired and celebrated, I think.

Lazily repeating the line that 'all asylum seekers are scroungers' does not move the debate on into a realm of honesty, but merely keeps it in the gutter where the Daily Mail, Express and Sun operate. Hence me pulling you up on it.

*Who vastly outnumber the asylum seekers, and are in turn vastly outnumbered by the number of students coming here from abroad to study (320,000 per year, I heard).

Well I'm an economic migrant as well, cos I go over the border into England where theres better money on offer!

To pick up on your last line.

I have only experience of one foreign student, and she was paying around 10K a term for her course but I guess thats not considered in many arguments when raised.

The reason why we are inviting foreigners in to work with open arms, in relatively well paid jobs is the succession of governments who have ruined those careers. We have ended up with a situation where there are certain career paths that used to be aspired to, and are now avoided. We must lay the blame at the current and former government for our situation.

I would never say "all" asylum seekers are scroungers, but the very nature of people arriving in this country with no documentation and saying they come from country xyz has proved difficult to police. I accept there have been genuine people fleeing these countries to save their lives and their families, however they should be returned when the country is safe.

[BBKing]

however they should be returned when the country is safe.

Even if they're contributing to British society by then? If they have children born here? By this policy, all the East African Asians who fled Idi Amin's racist purges should be returned now he's thankfully pushing up the daisies. I doubt this would be a good idea.

The reason why we are inviting foreigners in to work with open arms, in relatively well paid jobs is the succession of governments who have ruined those careers.

This I do agree with - also things like an ageing population having more patients/fewer doctors and daft things like 'parent power' in schools making teachers' lives more difficult. It's highly damaging to things like fighting AIDS in Africa to nick all their doctors, too, which isn't often mentioned.

[Angua]

What would we do with our aging population without the immigrants?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Angua

What would we do with our aging population without the immigrants?

Well, we could put the assault rifles to use....

Oh come on! It's only as extreme and ridiculous as the other BNP ideas