Abu hamza attacked

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Neil

I've watched the guy in action & believe me it's a scary site-he even looked at me & pointed at one stage.

thats it m8, you're a marked man!
On a serious note, these Arab extremist types have the edge on us. I have done a fairly extensive trawl of the web looking at their sites and (strangely enough) they are mostly in arabic. They understand english, we don't understand arabic.

[me283]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

thats it m8, you're a marked man!
On a serious note, these Arab extremist types have the edge on us. I have done a fairly extensive trawl of the web looking at their sites and (strangely enough) they are mostly in arabic. They understand english, we don't understand arabic.

You can't even hide, as he can point around a corner at you...

[Neil]

Originally Posted by skunk4u

With his hook or finger?

Joking apart I bet it was scary

It actually was very scary, I kept looking over my shoulder etc on the way home, but being the man that trained Jack Bauer I was ready for anything!

[paulyoung666]

Why did you stare at him or something??? A friend of mine who lives in London went to see one of his speaches and she has even commented on out he picks out white man and tries to harass them, she was then followed back to her friends house and they waited outside for a good few minutes and then they left, she had to call the police as she was to scared to go home, infact she ended comming up here for a couple of days and spending time with us, that is how freaked she was infact she now lives in Dover! So there you go!

[BBKing]

Neil - what are you more frightened of, a loudmouth, well known to the authorities, ranting on the street watched by bored coppers or a nice, quiet professional like Mohammed Atta, having nice, quiet meetings in his Harburg flat while attending the local university? The biggest threat is the one you don't see, the one who takes care not to draw attention to himself.

anyone involved with people burning the Union Jack flag should be immediately deported for that alone IMO.

What rubbish - it's a flag, not a human being. Get over it. Remind me to set fire to one and you can try and deport me for it. Even the USA specifically protects flag burning as a fairly obvious example of freedom of expression, which is one of the things the flag actually stands for.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by BBKing

Neil - what are you more frightened of, a loudmouth, well known to the authorities, ranting on the street watched by bored coppers or a nice, quiet professional like Mohammed Atta, having nice, quiet meetings in his Harburg flat while attending the local university? The biggest threat is the one you don't see, the one who takes care not to draw attention to himself.

Very good point. However, Neil was probably frightened of the big minders...........a far more immediate threat

[Russ]

Originally Posted by BBKing

The biggest threat is the one you don't see, the one who takes care not to draw attention to himself.

However he tends not to have the rabid followers all around him who'll attack you on sight for appearing to be an infidel or not respecting their leader.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by BBKing

What rubbish

It's not "rubbish", it's my opinion, & please don't say that my opinions are "rubbish".

Originally Posted by BBKing

- it's a flag, not a human being.

Correct.

Originally Posted by BBKing

Get over it.

That's charming, is that what everyone who doesn't agree with you should do "Get over it" ?

Originally Posted by BBKing

Remind me to set fire to one and you can try and deport me for it.

I can't "try" because there's no law in place to support me in deporting you, & the point I made about deportation was a personal opinion (as I made clear in my post)

Originally Posted by BBKing

Even the USA specifically protects flag burning as a fairly obvious example of freedom of expression, which is one of the things the flag actually stands for.

Oh...that's ok then, so you're suggesting that just because the USA feels it's ok (which I'm not so sure it does BTW), then I should just think that too?

Originally Posted by Neil

Having watched him in action, I disagree, & anyone involved with people burning the Union Jack flag should be immediately deported for that alone IMO.

Because a piece of cloth is clearly so much more important than the right to free expression. Remind me come November 5th to construct a bonfire entirely out of Union Jacks.

I think it is a bit rich to complain about people espousing extreme ideas when you argue that deportation is a suitable punishment for burning a bit of cloth.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by dr wadd

Because a piece of cloth is clearly so much more important than the right to free expression.

It's not about "importance", it's about respect for the country in which you are residing, & respect for the country that is supporting your way of life here.

I don;t feel that anyone that comes to this country should be allowed to behave like that.

Originally Posted by dr wadd

Remind me come November 5th to construct a bonfire entirely out of Union Jacks.

Ok.

Originally Posted by dr wadd

I think it is a bit rich to complain about people espousing extreme ideas when you argue that deportation is a suitable punishment for burning a bit of cloth.

Fair enough, our views differ.

[STONEISLAND]

Sorry lads its not a bit of 'cloth' it represents are country Great Britain.
Have some respect!!!!!

Originally Posted by Neil

Oh...that's ok then, so you're suggesting that just because the USA feels it's ok (which I'm not so sure it does BTW), then I should just think that too?

Currently the flag has no protection in the USA but there are people hard at work to change that: http://www.cfa-inc.org/

Sure - it's only a flag - only a sheet of material. But it is a clear symbol of a nation's sovereignty. So never mind deporting someone for burning a flag - by that act they have made it clear what they think of that country, so they should depart voluntarily. I'd propose allowing them to do so free-of-charge to make it simpler and quicker!

But we'd have to keep secret from the destination country why these people were travelling there - after all, would we want people like that coming here?

[Neil]

Originally Posted by ScaredWebWarrior

Currently the flag has no protection in the USA but there are people hard at work to change that: http://www.cfa-inc.org/

Sure - it's only a flag - only a sheet of material. But it is a clear symbol of a nation's sovereignty. So never mind deporting someone for burning a flag - by that act they have made it clear what they think of that country, so they should depart voluntarily. I'd propose allowing them to do so free-of-charge to make it simpler and quicker!

But we'd have to keep secret from the destination country why these people were travelling there - after all, would we want people like that coming here?

Well said, have a greenie.

[STONEISLAND]

Originally Posted by Neil

Well said, have a greenie.

And from me too.

[NitroNutter]

Originally Posted by skunk4u

Sorry lads its not a bit of 'cloth' it represents are country Great Britain.
Have some respect!!!!!

Or should we take it in a more literally offensive way that its them showing what they really want to do to the entire coutries ocupants ?

IMO it demonstartes racism at a height way above anyhting they have endured from us in recent years.