Black boxes for all cars - Page 3

dozysplot · 26-08-2003, 18:07

HE HE HE !!!

seb:
Isn't it nice to sit on our side of the fence and laugh at all the car owners for a change!!!!!

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Originally posted by Seb
Well its obvious what the alternative is... get a motorbike! Where in the article does it say that motorbikes will be fitted with these devices. In my opinion (and yes i am a bkie rider) this is discriminating car drivers.

It would be interesting if they tried to instal these on bikes tho, just thing of the size of 'swerving log'. Bikers swerve to overtake cars in the city centres all the time!!

The UK will become a country full of mototrbikes, and not a car in sight, unless you can abide by every driving law there is

Seb

ntluser · 26-08-2003, 18:15

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Originally posted by Lord Nikon
Australia tried speed cameras, they cause more accidents than they prevent. There are 2 large warehouses in australia filled with speed cameras they have NO intention of EVER using again, and refuse to sell on as they are such a danger to motorists.

There is a significant difference between speeding, and dangerously speeding, see my post above... and the police SHOULD have the leeway to decide.

The problem is that making the police decide ties them down to traffic duties when they could be freed up to deal with real criminals.

I do however agree with your points about driver licensing, eye-tests, re-tests and proper cyclist training. They would all contribute to greater safety awareness on roads and hopefully improve the level of driving skill and road-sense.

Russ · 26-08-2003, 18:20

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Originally posted by dozysplot
HE HE HE !!!

seb:
Isn't it nice to sit on our side of the fence and laugh at all the car owners for a change!!!!!

For a change?!?

Shaun · 26-08-2003, 18:37

If you weren't all speeding along, breaking the law (which is in place for a reason) then you wouldn't need to worry about speed cameras and the police could get on with so called 'real crime'.

Any crime is real, I'll say it again you can't pick and choose which laws to stick by. Would you say that petty theft or embezzlement isn't 'real crime' just because no one get killed!

Russ · 26-08-2003, 19:15

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Originally posted by dellwear
If you weren't all speeding along, breaking the law (which is in place for a reason) then you wouldn't need to worry about speed cameras and the police could get on with so called 'real crime'.

Speeding is a very real issue which needs to be addressed, but it has to be in moderation. As you aren't a driver you don't realise how easy it is to drift a bit over 30 mph. The police realise this and therefore have power of discretion, they wouldn't have it otherwise.

If all my concentration was on staying at or below 30 mph then I would not be able to pay attention to other important matters on the road such as pedestrians etc.

cjmillsnun · 26-08-2003, 20:48

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Originally posted by dellwear
If you weren't all speeding along, breaking the law (which is in place for a reason) then you wouldn't need to worry about speed cameras and the police could get on with so called 'real crime'.

Any crime is real, I'll say it again you can't pick and choose which laws to stick by. Would you say that petty theft or embezzlement isn't 'real crime' just because no one get killed!

Do you own a car??

Sometimes a quick burst of speed can get you out of trouble.

Like when some idiot in lane alongside you decides to pull into your lane, when people are behind you (therefore braking hard is dangerous).

I don't condone speeding as a habit, but recognise as a driver (as do the police) that the responsible use of speed is SAFE

Also some speed limits are rediculous. For example, the 70MPH motorway speed limit was not introduced for safety, but because of the fuel crisis. It is time this was repealed. In Germany (where large stretches of Autobahn still have NO speed limit, there are less accidents than over here)

Also some limits are too fast.

I know of some areas where there are national speed limits (60MPH) in areas of single track road (not enough room for 2 cars to pass).

The key to safer driving is not these stupid spy chips (far too 1984 for my liking) or clamping down on motoring laws but education and regular testing of drivers (like every 5 years!)

This should improve the standard of driving by getting bad drivers off the roads, leading to the police fighting REAL crime

dozysplot · 26-08-2003, 23:19

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Originally posted by cjmillsnun

The key to safer driving is not these stupid spy chips (far too 1984 for my liking) or clamping down on motoring laws but education and regular testing of drivers (like every 5 years!)

Good Call.... There are too many drivers on the roads who amaze me how they ever passed a test. A regular refresher course where drivers can pick up skills and examiners can spot dangreous practise makes sense to me...

dozysplot · 26-08-2003, 23:22

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Originally posted by Russ D
For a change?!?

these bloody car drivers are usually running us over

**Chris** · 26-08-2003, 23:42

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Originally posted by Lord Nikon
Is there any way we can get the current govt out of power before the next election?

www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/

Shaun · 27-08-2003, 00:25

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Originally posted by ntluser
I think the only options drivers have at the moment is to make certain that the present government doesn't get the opportunity to enact this proposal into law and make it clear to the next government that the proposal is unacceptable.

Great, the Tory's get in and we'll have umpteen million on the dole again, the liberals get in and well, who knows, who cares, they ain't gonna are they.

Lord Nikon · 27-08-2003, 07:34

Perhaps the time has come for an all new political party?

One who acts FOR the people, not against them...

Russ · 27-08-2003, 07:53

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Originally posted by dozysplot
these bloody car drivers are usually running us over

...whilst the government (whichever party it happens to be at the time) continues to squeeze every penny they can out of us. Insurance tax, annual increases in road tax, fuel prices going up and up, proposed toll charges etc all because the treasury is under the dillusion that if you have a car then you obviously have money.

Scarlett · 27-08-2003, 08:20

Actually, I think you'll probably find that those of us that have a car are more likely to pay that bit more to keep it rather then lose it. If they keep adding a bit here and a bit there we'll keep paying it.

The thing that annoys me is that there is no viable alternative to using a car in many areas yet this is the usual excusae that is peddled every time the taxes increase

And is dellwear actually going to admit to being a non driver/ non car owner ?

Scarlett

**Chris** · 27-08-2003, 09:15

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Originally posted by dellwear
Great, the Tory's get in and we'll have umpteen million on the dole again.

Why?

Stuart · 27-08-2003, 09:59

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Originally posted by towny
Why?

It happened last time.