[Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?

Point taken about ignoring this thread, rather than posting zzzzzzzz, but reading the posts, it does seem to be going over the same ground yet again. However, I'll say no more.

Originally Posted by JohnHorb

Point taken about ignoring this thread, rather than posting zzzzzzzz, but reading the posts, it does seem to be going over the same ground yet again. However, I'll say no more.

The same ground to you John - but its not the same ground to new members not familier with the cap, who should be allowed to ask what all this is about or cast their views when they have not had the opportunity before and with Metered broadband coming next year, this is not going over the same ground as this information is relatively new over the last few days.

[ntluser]

I'm currently paying £24.99 for the 750k service. When the new service comes in will I be automatically moved onto the 1MB rate (which I believe is £24.99) or will I have to organise this through Customer Services as I don't really want to pay any more?

Originally Posted by ntluser

I'm currently paying £24.99 for the 750k service. When the new service comes in will I be automatically moved onto the 1MB rate (which I believe is £24.99) or will I have to organise this through Customer Services as I don't really want to pay any more?

Current customers have a choice to stay as they are, as ntl said customers who want to upgrade to the newer speeds need to pay a £25 administration fee. If you are on the 750K service and you do want to pay for the newer speeds your connection will rise from 750K to 2MB with a 30GB per month bandwidth usage restriction.

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by ntluser

I'm currently paying £24.99 for the 750k service. When the new service comes in will I be automatically moved onto the 1MB rate (which I believe is £24.99) or will I have to organise this through Customer Services as I don't really want to pay any more?

From what has been said you will have the option of staying on the 750 k service at £24.99 or paying £25 one off fee and moving to the new 2Mb service with a 30 gig per month cap (still at £24.99 pm). It is not clear yet what capping there will be if you stay on your existing speed.

[Chrysalis]

I read that pdf document and it compares NTL with BT Broadband,BT Yahoo,Telwest and Wannadoo, with Telewest been the only isp their with no cap. Strange how we dont see pipex,nildram,plusnet,bulldog,okonline and eclipse.

[hjf288]

Originally Posted by Mick

Then why not pay for what extra you use? Metered broadband is said to be launching, sometime in 2005. If you go over your usage limit then there is that option to pay for what extra you use.

Why should we when other uses Cough Telewest enjoy theirs without capping, enjoy faster speeds sooner and as LLU is happening quite fast, most ISPs are moving to dominate with higher speed plans?

[Matth]

The main problem at the moment, is that we don't know...

For all the hoohah when the first introduced the "CAP" - (use more than 1Gb/day and they MAY be having words with you) - it has not been a big thing, so the current tariffs all have a theoretical 30Gb/month cap, if it were enforced agressively.

So the 750k middle tier upgrades to 2Mbit, and the cap is presumably a hardened 30Gb/month.
The current bottom tier gets an upgrade to 1Mbit, and the 5Gb/month cap is not for capacity reasons, but to stop every current 750k user piling down and saying "thanks for the price cut".

The "£1 5.99 / 300k" - just where does that sit?
Do current 300k users who do not upgrade get a price cut?
No cap figure was mentioned for the 300k, but I'd guess on it getting a lower one (as a pure dialup replacement), the same 5Gb as the 1Mbit, or perhaps the old style 1Gb/day limit to appease 300k users who don't fancy the "give with one hand and take with the other" upgrade/downgrade of speed and quota.

Sure NTL are not a charity, but other than the gross over users (a small percentage), they cannot afford to alienate a segment of their user base who may terminate broadband and other services.


At the moment, we are still guessing!

[Rone]

I'm sure its been posted, but how do business users go on?
Is there any cap atm? Might there be one if there is'nt? Are they exempt?
I'm like a few others, i dont want to get paranoid about limits, i have 2pcs networked and 1 teenager using the other pc.
If you could pay say a flat rate of £50pm for 3meg, with none, or very reasonable limits i gladly would, hence my query about a business line.
Tho i'm sure they cannot be dead cheap.
I dont really want to leave NTL, but i have an adsl enabled line here [1meg] as well, that my eldest uses, but hes moving out next year, but i bet someones going to offer no limits and sit back and watch the customers roll in.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Rone

I'm sure its been posted, but how do business users go on?
Is there any cap atm? Might there be one if there is'nt? Are they exempt?
I'm like a few others, i dont want to get paranoid about limits, i have 2pcs networked and 1 teenager using the other pc.
If you could pay say a flat rate of £50pm for 3meg, with none, or very reasonable limits i gladly would, hence my query about a business line.
Tho i'm sure they cannot be dead cheap.
I dont really want to leave NTL, but i have an adsl enabled line here [1meg] as well, that my eldest uses, but hes moving out next year, but i bet someones going to offer no limits and sit back and watch the customers roll in.

http://business.ntl.com

There's no mention of 'caps' or 'usage guidelines' on the site.

http://business.ntl.com/terms_of_use/

It seems they offer 'Broadband' & also Broadband 'Lite'...

http://business.ntl.com/product_solu...dband_packages

[andrew_wallasey]

Originally Posted by Rone

I'm sure its been posted, but how do business users go on?
Is there any cap atm? Might there be one if there is'nt? Are they exempt?
I'm like a few others, i dont want to get paranoid about limits, i have 2pcs networked and 1 teenager using the other pc.
If you could pay say a flat rate of £50pm for 3meg, with none, or very reasonable limits i gladly would, hence my query about a business line.
Tho i'm sure they cannot be dead cheap.
I dont really want to leave NTL, but i have an adsl enabled line here [1meg] as well, that my eldest uses, but hes moving out next year, but i bet someones going to offer no limits and sit back and watch the customers roll in.

With the increase in P2P usage. It is unviable for ISPs to offer unlimited services for ever.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by andrew_wallasey

With the increase in P2P usage. It is unviable for ISPs to offer unlimited services for ever.

But the point is, many ISPs are offering that service.

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by Neil

But the point is, many ISPs are offering that service.

Many ISPs are offering uncapped (at the moment) services because they are fighting for market share in the ADSL market.

NTL may lose a number of users when they bring in the caps but will they miss the 24/7 warez merchants who jump ship?

With the new offerings that NTL have coming next year (VOD, PVR, wireless cable modems, etc) they may attract many new customers, particularly if they get the interactive sorted and multi screen Sky Sports. If these new customers are joining for the TV then they will also be getting the NTL phone line and possibly broadband. NTL are pushing bundles which are aimed at getting customers, new and old, to take multiple services.

[Rone]

Thanks Neil.
Broadband (multi user/network) †“ 1.5Mb for only £89.99 a month

Well im on the 1.5 atm, but thats a lot, lot more than £38 pm.
If it had been double the price i might have looked seriously, but thats quite a chunk more and a lot of it of course, extra mailboxes etc, i wouldnt need.
Nildram do unlimited [so far ] 2meg adsl for about £44 , but i'm going to wait on the final NTL "what happens next" before panicking.
But there are some of us who can look like "power users" without d\loading 24\7 who dont mind paying, [ its called a "teenager" i believe that causes it. ] but do'nt want to be charged through the roof.

[sheka]

Interesting point to note is that with no traffic been generated to/from the Internet by my PC I would still manage to clock up 2.7GB of downloaded traffic a month.

With all the talk of caps and there more 'active' policing. Whether correct or not. I decided to investigate how much traffic I send/receive a period of time. Using tools such as MRTG/PRTG with the SNMP protocols I have managed to obtain traffic information from my SACM. This means I know exatcly how much traffic is coming in and going out from the 'cable side' of the SACM.

The observations are quite startling. They show that on average I receive 8192 bits a second. Not a great deal but if you do the maths:

8192 bits a second
8192 x 60 = 491520 bits a minute
491520 x 60 = 29491200 bits an hour (3MBytes)
29491200 x 24 = 707788800 bits a day (88MBytes)
707788800 x 31 = 21941452800 bits a month ( /8 to get 2742681600 Bytes or 2.742681600 GBytes)

Interesting that all the crud, viruses, network scanning, etc.....can amount to so much network traffic when as far as I am concerned by PC is doing nothing but polling the SACM for SNMP staistics.....