Does ntl offer a viable product any more?

[Stuart]

IIRC Cable and Wireless were talking about launching a 10 Meg service two years before they were taken over. I read a press release at the time that said if they persuaded enough people to switch from analogue to digital TV, they could increase the speed more than that.

Admittedly, that was using a non-standard system, but it shows that cable can go much higher!

Originally Posted by Neil

That's a lot of home & a lot of exchanges.

Add to this Bulldogs already running deal with 4 meg DSL and all your phone line/phone calls costs all in for around £50.00, & you've got a fair few!

Its not a lot of home's when you look how many homes are outside that 2 km

Originally Posted by Mark B

My only comment on all of this is the same question I have asked many times but not had a satisfactory answer to.

Earlier this year, Telewest announced a speed increase, ntl followed suit, and were accused of copying them. Fair enough. I'll accept that for the sake of argument.

ntl have now announced a speed increase, and this time Telewest followed suit. Yet again I have been told that ntl are simply copying Telewest. My question, in two parts, is: Why is the exact same situation viewed entirely differently this time round, and how can ntl have been copying Telewest BOTH times?

Simple answer mark.

The same thing that has been going on since this last lot of upgrades have been released. Its NTL and they can do nothing right. Just remember that each time you read a answer on here.

DAMMED IF WE DO AND DAMMED IF WE DONT

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Bill C

Simple answer mark.

The same thing that has been going on since this last lot of upgrades have been released. Its NTL and they can do nothing right. Just remember that each time you read a answer on here.

DAMMED IF WE DO AND DAMMED IF WE DONT

Can somerone with an ounce of common sense and unbiased judgement please greenie rep BIll for me?

[Bob]

Sure

[etccarmageddon]

Originally Posted by Bill C

Simple answer mark.

The same thing that has been going on since this last lot of upgrades have been released. Its NTL and they can do nothing right. Just remember that each time you read a answer on here.

hold yer horses - we're not all that cynical!


anyway back to the original question - do they offer a viable product... YES! get yourself on broadband and enjoy a superior product.

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

hold yer horses - we're not all that cynical!


anyway back to the original question - do they offer a viable product... YES! get yourself on broadband and enjoy a superior product.

Fully agree not all are

But there are some that are

That statement was aimed at those that are, They know who they are

Sorry to go

Originally Posted by Neil

Certainly



I thought I had-there are cureently exchanges that can't get it, but the 'coming soon' is a reality, not a figment of their imagination a la ntl.

So the upgrades that we have announced which you say are a figment of NTL's imagination, and are coming soon for NTL,
There is a announcement of a 8 meg upgrade for adsl users but is fact if it's a ADSL provider


Is that how I should read your comment or have I got it completely wrong


Now if I am wrong I stand corrected if I am right how can this be ok for them and not for NTL

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Bill C

So the upgrades that we have announced which you say are a figment of NTL's imagination, and are coming soon for NTL,
There is a announcement of a 8 meg upgrade for adsl users but is fact if it's a ADSL provider


Is that how I should read your comment or have I got it completely wrong


Now if I am wrong I stand corrected if I am right how can this be ok for them and not for NTL

You're not 'wrong' Bill, it's just that I know that (still) not all areas have received the upgrade, that's the point I was making.

Originally Posted by Neil

You're not 'wrong' Bill, it's just that I know that (still) not all areas have received the upgrade, that's the point I was making.

Neil

And not all Exchanges have been enabled so Coming soon for them as well is it. Sorry i mean for those 2km or less .

Must be a slow day when all we can debate is COMING SOON

[themelon]

Originally Posted by Neil

You're not 'wrong' Bill, it's just that I know that (still) not all areas have received the upgrade, that's the point I was making.

Not all areas will recieve 8Mb ADSL in fact only 4.4 million 'may' be able to! Not all can even recieve any ADSL

ADSL has probably got a worse record of 'coming soon' than ntl ever has........I remember in 1997 the original tests, in 2000 it had still barely got of the ground in 2002 not much had changed, its only the past 2 years subscribers have grown people have demanded it and BT have pulled their fingers out!

[Neil]

Originally Posted by themelon

Not all areas will recieve 8Mb ADSL in fact only 4.4 million 'may' be able to! Not all can even recieve any ADSL

ADSL has probably got a worse record of 'coming soon' than ntl ever has........I remember in 1997 the original tests, in 2000 it had still barely got of the ground in 2002 not much had changed, its only the past 2 years subscribers have grown people have demanded it and BT have pulled their fingers out!

<Michael Winner Voice>Calm down dear-I was referring to the ntl speed increases that they announced in April this year. </Michael Winner Voice>

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article/...peed-increases

[ian@huth]

What has who got it first and who are market leaders got to do with anything? If we just look at broadband then as long as I get good uptime, which I do with NTL, virtually 100%, and a service fast enough to do the things I want with it then I am happy. If I am given a speed increase which means that I get some things done quicker then it's welcome news.I am not bothered that TW were a few weeks ahead of NTL or vice versa, I am only interested in what NTL, my BB supplier, are giving me and nobody else is giving anything so much faster, more reliable and cheaper to tempt me to change.

What companies give and what they are capeable of giving are two very different subjects. NTL could, I am sure, give 8 or 10 Mb and it would work for most customers, however far they were from the headend. The same cannot be said for ADSL. Why don't NTL give those speeds? Why should they? Who needs them other than the small percentage who want to download the internet and have it done yesterday. NTL are really only competing with ADSL and have some excellent packages at excellent prices. Do they want to market a product designed to attract the kind of customer that they do not want for the sake of being able to say they are market leaders?

Originally Posted by ianathuth

What has who got it first and who are market leaders got to do with anything? If we just look at broadband then as long as I get good uptime, which I do with NTL, virtually 100%, and a service fast enough to do the things I want with it then I am happy. If I am given a speed increase which means that I get some things done quicker then it's welcome news.I am not bothered that TW were a few weeks ahead of NTL or vice versa, I am only interested in what NTL, my BB supplier, are giving me and nobody else is giving anything so much faster, more reliable and cheaper to tempt me to change.

What companies give and what they are capeable of giving are two very different subjects. NTL could, I am sure, give 8 or 10 Mb and it would work for most customers, however far they were from the headend. The same cannot be said for ADSL. Why don't NTL give those speeds? Why should they? Who needs them other than the small percentage who want to download the internet and have it done yesterday. NTL are really only competing with ADSL and have some excellent packages at excellent prices. Do they want to market a product designed to attract the kind of customer that they do not want for the sake of being able to say they are market leaders?