Will the UK ever have high speed broadband?

[MysticKiller]

Originally Posted by Paul M

See http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=19335 - in short, yes, but not until Q1 next year.

Ok, thats wicked, thanks!

[eerrrr]

Japan are planning on 10Gbits by 2010, and intend to introduce shared 1Gbit for around £30 a month!
Info linkage

[MysticKiller]

Originally Posted by eerrrr

Japan are planning on 10Gbits by 2010, and intend to introduce shared 1Gbit for around £30 a month!
Info linkage

lmao, thats amazing! by that time, Britain will be bringing in 10 or 100mbit.

[Gareth]

Chris T is right (again.... damn you, Chris T ).... the internet was invented by the US Defence Department, to see how they could maintain communication between bases during war, and crucially, when one node is taken out of the loop. However, you forgot to mention Al Gore's influential part in all this. He invented the internet.

Oh, and it's Sir Tim Berners-Lee now

Actually, the history of how the net came to be is fascinating (if you're geeky like me). Fortunately, however, they dropped the name ARPAnet.... not quite as catchy as internet, imo.

[El Diablo]

Originally Posted by Chris T

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Tim Berners-Lee didn't invent the internet. He invented the worldwide web (in 1992), which is just one of the many things you can do with the internet. The internet pre-dates the WWW by 33 years and was invented by a bunch of American universities funded by a US Government agency called ARPA.
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Whilst you are correct in informing the audience that Tim did not invent the Internet, it should be noted that he actually invented the World Wide Web [WWW] whilst at CERN in 1989, and not in 1992 as your pedant suggests. Your suggestion is based upon the assumption that the Internet was created in 1959 [1992 - 33], when in fact the ARPANET was not actually created until 1969 - when Bolt Beranek & Newman delivered the first IMP packet to UCLA. The ARPANET was after all only conceived to be feasible in 1968. Furthermore, it was 1978 that the Internet really emerged, upon the implementation of IP as a standard for Internet messaging. This means that the ARPANET predates the WWW by just 20 years, rather than the 33 years that you quote and the Internet predates WWW by just 11 years. However, Vint Cerf truly is the daddy...
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comparing us to sweeden seems a bit unfair BT has a hell of a job to upgrade all the wires they have been down for years no one knew what the internet was at the time, the sweedish on the other hand have about 9 million people in a huge country and the population is gathered around the main cities (there are people in sweeden who dont have the internet you know) when the sweedish build a new building they put in the nice fast cables and even do a proper job with the insulation so u just have to breath once and its warm for a year Also the sweedish Govt spends a lot of sweedish/euro's each year getting everyone on broadband thats why its so cheap from the ISPs they get the money of the Govt....

anyway i think its a bit old fashioned to think about internet as wired these days give it a few years and you will have the super fast broadband you want through a wireless service - has to be easier than laying all the damn wires all round the country ... just need that stupid eminister to get it sorted and hopefully at the same time sort out some HDTV for us

Originally Posted by El Diablo

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Whilst you are correct in informing the audience that Tim did not invent the Internet, it should be noted that he actually invented the World Wide Web [WWW] whilst at CERN in 1989, and not in 1992 as your pedant suggests. Your suggestion is based upon the assumption that the Internet was created in 1959 [1992 - 33], when in fact the ARPANET was not actually created until 1969 - when Bolt Beranek & Newman delivered the first IMP packet to UCLA. The ARPANET was after all only conceived to be feasible in 1968. Furthermore, it was 1978 that the Internet really emerged, upon the implementation of IP as a standard for Internet messaging. This means that the ARPANET predates the WWW by just 20 years, rather than the 33 years that you quote and the Internet predates WWW by just 11 years. However, Vint Cerf truly is the daddy...
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1992 was the year they released their work on the WWW ... it's a good a date as any, especially in brief discussion like this. As for the 'predate' - you got me, my dodgy maths. I knew it was 1969 but obviously I can't subtract

As for when the internet emerged, as opposed to just ARPANET, if you want to be a complete pedant I would say it was earlier than you suggest, in 1973. That was the year Khan and Cerf invented TCP, and it was also the year they demonstrated a solution to the so called 'inter-net' problem, by linking ARPANET and SATNET, and sending data between a computer in the back of a van in San Francisco and one at University College London. They themselves christened their technique, 'internetting'.

All that said, you have to set your start date somewhere (you could go for the invention of packet switching (1964), for example) and I think the first successful login to ARPANET in October 1969 is as good a start point as anywhere.
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[poolking]

Originally Posted by Scott

Yes but compare 3MB to 10MB in the US, it costs about $25 for 10MB in the USA

They cap the usage to ensure people get those speeds.

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thats another point poolking ..personally i think BB in this country is great i remember being the first person i know to get bb and that was when NTL rolled out cable called up on day one and same day a dude came out to install it and i was working 7 hours later (had to wait for them 4 lights) and that wasnt all that long ago and now im on 1.5 ....it really isnt to bad ..unless your using ADSL and on crap wires far away from the exchange

[MysticKiller]

Is it for definate that the upgrades will take place Q1 2005? Or could NTL still cancel this? (Will the upgrades start then or finish then btw?) Thanks.

[MysticKiller]

Is it true the new services are going to be capped? I currently download about 3GB/day on my 300k connection, around 30GB a month, so imagine what i could do with 1mb? If they are going to cap it, is it possisble to upgrade to 750k now and stay on it and never upgrade to 2mbit? thanks.

[Graham M]

1MBit - 5GB/month cap
2MBit - 30GB/month cap
3MBit - 40GB/month cap

note these arent definite, but seem likely.

[MysticKiller]

Originally Posted by Zeph

1MBit - 5GB/month cap
2MBit - 30GB/month cap
3MBit - 40GB/month cap

note these arent definite, but seem likely.

Thanks for the info, thats no way enough bandwhith for someone like me, looks like ill go onto 750k with unlimited bandwhith or stick with 300k, thanks.

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Industry leaders reported on Monday that the next growth phase of the Internet will be driven by wireless services. This was noted by a trend among venture capitalists who helped fund the early boom of the Internet and are ready to invest in the next phase.

John Doerr, one of Silicon Valley's most renowned venture capitalists and a partner at Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, said, "I think the Internet's largest opportunities are in bringing new services, ones that we barely imagine, to billions of people around the world, wirelessly. We're probably in the early ... adolescence of this Internet world."

Chief Executives John Chambers of Cisco Systems Inc., Eric Schmidt of Google and Terry Semel of Yahoo Inc. among others have pointed to Wi-Fi and high-speed, or broadband, Internet access as twin engines of growth for their companies and the industry. "There are many ways in which devices are going to be connected," said Bill Joy, former chief scientist and a co-founder of high-end computer maker Sun Microsystems Inc. "The thing we probably have not paid enough attention to is there are going to be many kinds of Webs," he said.

In addition to the familiar World Wide Web, Joy said he envisioned sub-sections of the Internet providing a personal Web, an information Web and an entertainment Web, among others.

[looselipsuk]

Thought some people might be interested in the new deal from UK Online.

Download speeds of up to 8Mb

Upload speeds of up to 400k

Contention ratio of 33:1

Only £39.99 a month

One-off set up fee of £50

Wireless Ethernet Router for £69.99

Subject to reasonable use.

Now before anybody starts jumping on what is reasonable use here is what they say.

Are there any usage restrictions?

We do not have a fixed bandwidth restriction. However we reserve the right to suspend or restrict your use of the Service if we consider it excessive. We would consider regular or recurring data transfer in excess of 4 Gigabytes per day to be an example of excessive use of our Broadband 8000 service.

I do appreciate that at the moment it is restricted to within 2km of an exchange but I feel it does show that higher speeds are available, and possibly NTL are not offering such a good deal with their proposed increases in speed early next year, especially when you consider that you would have to pay out a one off free of £25.00 to take up the new speeds.