[Merged]Interactive and the Red Button - Page 3

Tod · 01-06-2004, 13:32

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Originally Posted by mdean

I left sky because the red dot was intollerable

You are joking arn't you? I can not see how a small red dot can be intollerable!

JonSav1 · 01-06-2004, 14:11

I have to agree with Tod. Remember, I didn't even see it until my house-mate pointed it out to me!

**Chris** · 01-06-2004, 14:14

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Originally Posted by Tod

You are joking arn't you? I can not see how a small red dot can be intollerable!

On sky, is it not more like an irritating lozenge shape that also says 'press red' next to it?

ntlrocks · 01-06-2004, 14:18

does anyone have any screenshot s of any of sky's red dots...i know the sky sports one is just a wee small one...but what about the Channel 4 BB one...or wimbledon...or world cup or summin?

JonSav1 · 01-06-2004, 14:19

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Originally Posted by towny

On sky, is it not more like an irritating lozenge shape that also says 'press red' next to it?

Depends on the Broadcaster. On Sky sports, it is just a small red dot in the corner of the screen, similar to C4/E4 now. On BBC it is a large prompt in the top right corner of the screen that says "BBCi - Press Red" in a similar style to the BBC Choice (as was) DOG, but with a red background.

mdean · 01-06-2004, 17:57

this Link leads to images of the stinking dot on sky sports- a huge intusive blob which blocks the corner of the screen
YUCK

http://logofreetv.org/?mode=logofree...l_zone=&order=

looselipsuk · 01-06-2004, 20:31

Well not sure how good the eyesight is of some of the people in this thread but I find the red dot annoying and would love to be able to disable it when I do not require it.
I suppose we should remember that we, the customer, only pay their wages so must put up with unwarranted advertising.
I hate it when somebody says "you have to put up with it" as where has the freedom of choice gone and before somebody says ditch digital please remember that analogue is soon to be switched off forever.
I know if a channel has red button ability but do not want to be constantly reminded of it.
I agree that it is a small dot but how would those that say ignore it would feel if they had no choice but watch the screen with the signing for deaf person permanently displayed in the bottom right corner.
At least for the programs which cater exceptionaly well for the hard of hearing the programs can normally be watched at a different time without the person showing on the screen.
It would appear with the red dot the viewer has no choice in the matter.

nidave · 02-06-2004, 13:04

You can press TV to remove the red dot.. but it does come back after breaks etc (as the channel sends the trigger to the box)

JonSav1 · 02-06-2004, 16:25

I'm sorry to argue with (almost) everyone else on this thread, but I do not find the red dot on Sky Sports annoying. In fact, it is one of the least annoying interactive prompts there is!

Much more annoying is the BBCi prompt here. However, it can be taken away using 'back' or 'tv'. I personally do not mind doing this, and find the red dot a useful tool for finding out about services which I may want to use (Wimbledon Multi-screens and the like)

There is, however, no reason why broadcasters could not make the red dot semi-transparent, such as the BBC logos used on some of their channels, and I would welcome a change such as this.

~Jon

RamJet · 02-06-2004, 18:23

Yes

If I had my way *ALL* channels should be made by Law to have a red Spot or Dot so that when we all press it and it doesn't give us the Enhanced Service which we in effect pay for - eg Sky News and Sky Sports etc - we will all COMPLAIN LOUDLY that we are getting short changed ( which we most certainly are! ) and demand of NTL/SKY we get ALL we actually pay for . . . .

Where is the harm in Sky giving us what we pay for ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

If they don't want to give us the Full Enhanced News and Sports Interactive why don'gt we get a discount til they do ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

A Very Confused Ramjet

danielf · 02-06-2004, 18:31

Where is the harm in allowing people who do find the dot annoying the option to remove it without it returning?

JonSav1 · 02-06-2004, 18:46

there is no harm in allowing people to remove it. I feel that there are some people participating in this discussion that would prefer if all red dot prompts are removed permanently by the broadcaster, in the same way as there are some people who find channel logos annoying, and wish to stop them being broadcasted.

looselipsuk · 02-06-2004, 21:54

I have no problem with a broadcaster displaying a red dot but it would be nice to be able to remove the dot for the full duration of the programme being displayed if it is not required.
To some it may not be irritating but I soon get fed up having to keep pressing the TV button to remove it when it keeps popping back up during the same programme.
As JonSav1 has said why cannot it be semi-transparent so being less intrusive if you cannot disable it completely.

mdean · 03-06-2004, 10:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonSav1

I'm sorry to argue with (almost) everyone else on this thread, but I do not find the red dot on Sky Sports annoying. In fact, it is one of the least annoying interactive prompts there is!

Much more annoying is the BBCi prompt here. However, it can be taken away using 'back' or 'tv'. I personally do not mind doing this, and find the red dot a useful tool for finding out about services which I may want to use (Wimbledon Multi-screens and the like)

There is, however, no reason why broadcasters could not make the red dot semi-transparent, such as the BBC logos used on some of their channels, and I would welcome a change such as this.

~Jon

You prove my point... you know where the good "interactive " content is (it is not really interactive - it is just more content)

Ie

Wimbedon
playcam (pah)
fanzone
champions league
multiscreen news 24 and sky news

There is no reason why pressing the red button should not open these services without a stupid dot on the screen all the time

I know i can get useful content by pressing the teletext button I don't need an on screen prompt to tell me

In truth the broadcasters could be more effective in the way they did this
eg for Wimbledon they could have bbc1a bbc1b bbc1c etc for the different courts with navigation via the epg.

The red button is only there to point to the **** "interactive" content which costs us money and lines Ruperts pockets quizes and games etc. It is unjustified to spoil our viewing to flog this rubbish. In truth most interactivity is **** and we are better off without it. Sorry RamJet I will complain if it is inflicted on NTL customers

Tod · 03-06-2004, 15:09

I think the Red dot should be shown if there is some related interactive content available (for example extra feeds/camera angles for BBC sport), but think it should disappear after a while like it does on freeview on the bbc.
Channel 4 are just having a laugh with their red dot coming up with content completely unrelated to the programs being shown - this I think is wrong, but it is channel 4 who are at fault, not NTL.