[merged] NTL Spam Filtering - Page 3

Mauldor · 16-04-2004, 02:27

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Originally Posted by monkeybreath

yes they are... otherwise people wouldn't be getting the message shown in this thread. They may only be scanning outgoing messages at the moment, but the anti spam legislation brought in in december requires all ISP to take some kind of action.

If any user sends more than 50 (or it might be 100 i can't remember) individual messages in an hour, action will be taken against them.

For news on proper spam/ av filtering at server level, all i can say is... watch this space...

Errr hang on a moment - i use a program to send my CV to a list of Agentcys every now and then - this rattles off 1500-2000 (roughly) - so your saying now im actually breaking the law or what? Not sure how long it takes as each mail have my cv attached but what i am / was doing is not spamming from my point of view - its updating my CV like.

I could put my CV online and mail them were to get it - but again will send out too many and break them rules as you quoted - so am i supposed to do one at a time???

Chris W · 16-04-2004, 03:13

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Originally Posted by Mauldor

Errr hang on a moment - i use a program to send my CV to a list of Agentcys every now and then - this rattles off 1500-2000 (roughly) - so your saying now im actually breaking the law or what? Not sure how long it takes as each mail have my cv attached but what i am / was doing is not spamming from my point of view - its updating my CV like.

I could put my CV online and mail them were to get it - but again will send out too many and break them rules as you quoted - so am i supposed to do one at a time???

no, sending mails like this is not SPAM so it is not breaking the law, however from what i have read the easiest way for isps to prevent people spamming on their connections is to monitor the number of mails people are sending per hour.

What you are doing may well have flagged up something somewhere, but if you haven't heard anything yet then obviously your isp either hasn't noticed you are doing it, or has noticed and hasn't taken any action against it.

how come you send your cv to so many people anyway?! 2000 is a lot!!

Chris W · 16-04-2004, 03:37

FYI- This is Article 13 of "Directive 2002/58/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 12 July 2002 concerning the processing of personal data and the protection of privacy in the electronic communications sector (Directive on privacy and electronic communications)." ... in other words the European legislation that required the UK to implement an antispam law.

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Article 13

Unsolicited communications

1. The use of automated calling systems without human intervention (automatic calling machines), facsimile machines (fax) or electronic mail for the purposes of direct marketing may only be allowed in respect of subscribers who have given their prior consent.

2. Notwithstanding paragraph 1, where a natural or legal person obtains from its customers their electronic contact details for electronic mail, in the context of the sale of a product or service, in accordance with Directive 95/46/EC, the same natural or legal person may use these electronic contact details for direct marketing of its own similar products or services provided that customers clearly and distinctly are given the opportunity to object, free of charge and in an easy manner, to such use of electronic contact details when they are collected and on the occasion of each message in the case the customer has not intially refused such use.

3. Member States shall take appropriate measures to ensure that, free of charge, unsolicited communications for purposes of direct marketing, in cases other than those referred to in paragraphs 1 and 2, are not allowed either without the consent of the subscribers concerned or in respect of subscribers who do not wish to receive these communications, the choice between these options to be determined by national legislation.

4. In any event, the practice of sending electronic mail for purposes of direct marketing diguising or concealing the identity of the sender on whose behalf the communication is made, or without a vaild address to which the recipient may send a request that such communications cease, shall be prohibited.

5. Paragraphs 1 and 3 shall apply to subscribers who are natural persons. Member States shall also ensure, in the framework of Community law and applicable national legislation, that the legitimate interests of subscribers other than natural persons with regard to unsolicited communications are sufficently protected.

The law about spam is something that i am going to learn a lot more about, because i am doing my dissitation (sp!) on it next year. So if you thought reading the legislation there was horrible... feel sorry for me :pp

Mauldor · 16-04-2004, 19:26

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Originally Posted by monkeybreath

no, sending mails like this is not SPAM so it is not breaking the law, however from what i have read the easiest way for isps to prevent people spamming on their connections is to monitor the number of mails people are sending per hour.

What you are doing may well have flagged up something somewhere, but if you haven't heard anything yet then obviously your isp either hasn't noticed you are doing it, or has noticed and hasn't taken any action against it.

how come you send your cv to so many people anyway?! 2000 is a lot!!

Well in the computer Constractor Market there is on average about 1500-2000 Agenties out there - now the only time i need to update my cv with them all is when the cv has changed - contracting on the whole is short term and for example might have a job for 2-3 months then out of work again. If I update my CV wit them all - then they have the latest CV for sending out, more lightly to get looked at rather than them having a very old CV.

The program has a DB Companies along with Email etc - now i send out - one message at a time with my situation (location, money required etc) along with a attached CV. Now this is better than a EMail (as in one) with a header that has everybody else Name on it as well.

I have tried many ways to get them to maybe stop me this work and go to a web site and get the latest one but that was asking way too much to be honest as they wont activly go to a web site, grab my cv and update there records - only time it happens is if i send them a email and this prompts them to update....

nidave · 20-04-2004, 15:40

Can anyone help - Am having a Problem with Norton Anti Spam...
I get about 300 Messages a day on my ntl account (had the account for years) norton is fantastic until it freeses and seems make the account timeout in Outlook Express. It happens on random e-mails and the only way to fix it is disable Norton Anti Spam!

Chrysalis · 20-04-2004, 17:21

I get no spam probably because the account is unuseable.

**Paul** · 20-04-2004, 18:00

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Originally Posted by monkeybreath

If any user sends more than 50 (or it might be 100 i can't remember) individual messages in an hour, action will be taken against them.

Excuse me ?? What action exactly, seeing as I may well do this from time to time.

Chris W · 20-04-2004, 18:17

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Originally Posted by Pem

Excuse me ?? What action exactly, seeing as I may well do this from time to time.

dunno to be honest... i have never spoken to anyone who has had it happen to them, but we were told at work that 'action' will be taken....

**Paul** · 20-04-2004, 18:51

Oh, that's ok then - the NTL definition of "action" is usually nothing.

shin0r · 22-04-2004, 13:53

The "more than 50 emails" thing has been misquoted .

If someone tries to send emails to more than 50 *non-existent* addresses in an alloted time, they are dropped by a spam harvester. This combats dictionary attack spammers.

cheers.

Mantrid · 27-04-2004, 08:57

I was away for a week and when I got back I had 1350 spam e-mails waiting for me.

I got Mailwasher to bounce the lot of them. That's more than 50 per hour so how do I stand on that?

I don't bother checking my NTL account now.

I'm so fed up that I've signed up for a Bulldog 2Mb service. Just waiting for it to be installed then I can ditch NTL completely.

hjf288 · 28-04-2004, 00:09

Upgraded antivirus - Has antispam with it, not that norton crap either

29-04-2004, 00:17

When I had ntl installed I kept my Freeserve e-mail account.

Since 9 April all mail coming through that account has had *** SPAM *** prefixed to the subject title. It was only today that wanadoo (formally Freeserve) sent me an e-mail proclaiming that they are now automatically filtering our e-mails for spam.

Unfortunately, the filter cannot be turned off. You can only decide whether to allow the "spam" to be downloaded to your inbox with the *** SPAM *** prefix, or set it to automatically delete them.

The trouble is, the e-mails I received were legitimate. They were from 192.com, Maplin electronics & DREAMdirect. Ironically, in over 3 years of being with Freeserve, I haven't received 1 spam e-mail anyway.

I dont know what criteria Freeserve use to filter the e-mails, but I hope ntl dont use the same method.

meld51 · 29-04-2004, 11:15

So what are the top 3 tips for preventing spam anyway?
And assuming that prevention has failed, what is the best ways of filtering do you think?

Chris W · 29-04-2004, 11:28

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Originally Posted by meld51

So what are the top 3 tips for preventing spam anyway?
And assuming that prevention has failed, what is the best ways of filtering do you think?

The best way to do it is using spam filtering software. Which product you use is down to personal preference. Many people recommend Mailwasher, but personally i use Mozilla Thunderbird which has junk mail filters integrated. I have found this to be quite good, a lot more reliable than the ones in Outlook.

Prevention is always better than cure though, and there is lots of advise on here about how to prevent spam.