Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[lucevans]

Originally Posted by R Jones

You've obviously missed the (unpublished) BT customer poll that revealed overwhelming customer enthusiasm for this system!!! (Beware - irony warning required)

Their response to me on the matter of their survey claims - quote - It is not common practise for us to release our market research. At this stage we have no plans to release the research conducted by BT but that is not to say we will not provide details in the future. I can confirm that it was conducted by a third party market research agency on behalf of BT and others. It explored both aspects of the Webwise service separately - less irrelevant advertising and the additional protection against online fraud. Furthermore we will of course also review how our up coming trial of the service goes. Ultimately what is important though is that our customers will have a clear choice. end of quote.

See - overwhelming support! You're obviously looking in the wrong places!

So it didn't touch upon the third aspect of the Webwise service, then? Namely, spying on everything a customer does online regardless of whether they opt-in to receiving "less irrelevant advertising" or not...

[roadrunner69]

Originally Posted by Bonglet

Ask them on how many people they polled and what age group they were, say you have done your research and the results they got are totally wrong and link them to many polls that have been made about not wanting phorm and if they refuse ask them for the list of questions that the people polled were asked .

You don't need to - the questions are in bt's quote

Originally Posted by Cameraman

"It explored both aspects of the Webwise service separately - less irrelevant advertising and the additional protection against online fraud"

Q1. When using the internet would you prefer to see less irrelevant advertising?

Q2. Would you like more protection against online fraud?

I'd bet my house on me not being a million miles away from the actual questions asked.

We're not all stupid at tesco ya know ...probably

[lucevans]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Hank posted the phrase "ISP spy on you" yesterday quoting Patricia Hewitt MP. If we adapt it slightly, we could use it as a strapline in our ongoing mission to boldly go where noone has gone before: "ISPy with my little eye..."

..."something beginning with 'F' ".....Fraud?

[mark777]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Hank posted the phrase "ISP spy on you" yesterday quoting Patricia Hewitt MP. If we adapt it slightly, we could use it as a strapline in our ongoing mission to boldly go where noone has gone before: "ISPy with my little eye..."

Yes. I agree there needs to be something catchy and I like the ISPy part.

I thought about just saying to people "Phorm is coming" and when they asked what I was on about, telling them to Google it. But they would put in "Form".

I think it needs to be something that points to "webwise", because I think lots of people are starting to at least become aware of Phorm, but it's Webwise they will be conned into.

How about "ISPy with my little eye..." something beginning with W.

Just for a start, I'm sure someone else can do better. Maybe it needs to be incorporated into a graphic.

Remember "Bad Wolf" on Dr Who or "Tell Sid" for another generation?

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Anyone remember if there was a catchphrase when BT was privatised?

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This is interesting

http://www.btplc.com/Thegroup/BTsHis...heetissue2.pdf

It explains all the hype in the early 80's regarding the privatisation of BT.

I wonder what all the Old Tories who drove this through would think of Phorm/Webwise?

It might be worth finding contacts for people like Kenneth Clarke, Norman Lamont, Norman Tebbit, "The bloke who had an affair with his secretary and I can't remember his name", and, of course, what does Maggie think?

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by lucevans

..."something beginning with 'F' ".....Fraud?

Originally Posted by mark777

Yes. I agree there needs to be something catchy and I like the ISPy part.

I thought about just saying to people "Phorm is coming" and when they asked what I was on about, telling them to Google it. But they would put in "Form".

I think it needs to be something that points to "webwise", because I think lots of people are starting to at least become aware of Phorm, but it's Webwise they will be conned into.

How about "ISPy with my little eye..." something beginning with W.

Just for a start, I'm sure someone else can do better. Maybe it needs to be incorporated into a graphic.

Remember "Bad Wolf" on Dr Who or "Tell Sid" for another generation?

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Anyone remember if there was a catchphrase when BT was privatised?

Or, to give it an edge implying personal 'threat' "ISPy with my little eye something beginning with U". Short and punchy might be best though - perhaps "ISPy" or "ISPy on U" says it all along with a graphic like you say?

[AlexanderHanff]

OK I am back and knackered just for a change.

The interview today was a bit of a farce really. Kent turned up late, then he basically spent the entire "debate" either insulting me directly with personal attacks or insulting the BBC staff by simply refusing to answer their questions.

He said (and I quote) "he [Richard Clayton] thinks Phorm is the best thing to ever happen with online advertising" (I kid you not).

I didn't manage to say much in the interview at all simply because Kent didn't want to stop his tongue flapping and interrupted me at every opportunity.

Oh and apparently "everyone wants Phorm" and I am just a "scaremonger".

I am not sure how the BBC will edit the full discussion, I can't see how they can edit to exclude his rude behaviour without completely removing anything he said and simply showing a picture of him with his foot in his mouth.

Anyway we will have to wait and see.

Alexander Hanff

[roadrunner69]

Originally Posted by mark777

"The bloke who had an affair with his secretary and I can't remember his name"

This is the conservative party in the 1980's could have been anyone of dozens

Cecil Parkinson?

[mark777]

Originally Posted by Kursk

ISPy with my little eye something beginning with U". Short and punchy might be best though - perhaps "ISPy" or "ISPy on U" says it all along with a graphic like you say?

I like "ISPy on U".

Only thing is, it needs to lead to more information (could be a web link, lots of options), but how many people know what an ISP is?

We need to churn this through the idea grinder.

[lucevans]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Hank posted the phrase "ISP spy on you" yesterday quoting Patricia Hewitt MP. If we adapt it slightly, we could use it as a strapline in our ongoing mission to boldly go where noone has gone before: "ISPy with my little eye..."

...Something beginning with:

A - "Advertising is the only way the internet will survive" (according to Kent Erturgrul, CEO of Phorm)
B - British government won't stick up for it's citizens
C - Commerical interests trample all over the individual's rights
D - Data Protection Act - What's That?!
E - European Convention on Human Rights - including the Right to a Private Life
F - Too obvious, right? What we'd all like Phorm to do to themselves...
G - GREED - The motivating force behind Phorm
H - Hanff, as in Alexander - Bloody Good Bloke!
I - Intercept - What Phorm want to do with all of your internet data
J - Justice - something the UK seems rather short of at the moment....
K - "Knowledge is Power" - and Phorm are going to know a hell of a lot about you once they start to intercept your web traffic....
L - Loss of Privacy - another great feature brought to you by the boys and girls of Phorm
M - Moscow - the seat of the internationally renown programming team responsible for this invasion of our privacy
N - Network - the place that Phorm will be installing their system, thus removing all control over it's use and purpose from the individual user
O - "Opt-Out" - Phorm's business model to con the average UK internet user into surrendering their privacy for someone else's profit.
P - PHORM - Selling us off to the highest bidder
Q - Q.C. - or Queen' Council - which has apparently provided Phorm with a learned opinion that their system is legal (but they're a bit shy about telling who it is...)
R - RIPA - Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2003 - which states that it is illegal to intercept the electronic communications of a UK citizen without informed consent or a warrant
S - SPIN - Apparently, Phorm's only defence against UK consumers' justified indignation at their plans to invade our privacy
T - TalkTalk - The only ISP who has made a public commitment to a proper opt-in system
U - Useless; general consensus on the Webwise system
V - Violation; of at least seven UK laws
W - Webwise; or more accurately, Webdumb: a scam that offers no more protection against phishing attacks than IE7 or Firefox, at the expense of a user's privacy and peace of mind.
X - As in "Ex-Virgin Media Customer" - i.e. what I'll be if they go ahead with Phorm
Y - "You'll like it or lump it" - BT and Virgin Media's apparent attitude to their customers' revolt over the introduction of Phorm
Z - Zero - precisely the amount of control we will have over how our data is used by Phorm to turn a profit

[mark777]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

OK I am back and knackered just for a change.

The interview today was a bit of a farce really. Kent turned up late, then he basically spent the entire "debate" either insulting me directly with personal attacks or insulting the BBC staff by simply refusing to answer their questions.

He said (and I quote) "he [Richard Clayton] thinks Phorm is the best thing to ever happen with online advertising" (I kid you not).

I didn't manage to say much in the interview at all simply because Kent didn't want to stop his tongue flapping and interrupted me at every opportunity.

Oh and apparently "everyone wants Phorm" and I am just a "scaremonger".

I am not sure how the BBC will edit the full discussion, I can't see how they can edit to exclude his rude behaviour without completely removing anything he said and simply showing a picture of him with his foot in his mouth.

Anyway we will have to wait and see.

Alexander Hanff

Well done Alexander and thank you.

I hope the BBC decide to inform and educate and let Kent provide the entertainment.

Do you think the BBC could get a response from Richard Clayton to Kent's Quote?

Well done once again.

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Someone is getting worried!

[OldBear]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

OK I am back and knackered just for a change.

The interview today was a bit of a farce really. Kent turned up late, then he basically spent the entire "debate" either insulting me directly with personal attacks or insulting the BBC staff by simply refusing to answer their questions.

He said (and I quote) "he [Richard Clayton] thinks Phorm is the best thing to ever happen with online advertising" (I kid you not).

I didn't manage to say much in the interview at all simply because Kent didn't want to stop his tongue flapping and interrupted me at every opportunity.

Oh and apparently "everyone wants Phorm" and I am just a "scaremonger".

I am not sure how the BBC will edit the full discussion, I can't see how they can edit to exclude his rude behaviour without completely removing anything he said and simply showing a picture of him with his foot in his mouth.

Anyway we will have to wait and see.

Alexander Hanff

He insulted you personally, in front of witnesses, and on camera? That's disgraceful!

A simple case of what happens when you don't have your PR drones along to answer for you; the man has just shown himself for what he really is, just like he did at the 80/20 meeting (IMHO).

Well done, Alexander.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

Oh and apparently "everyone wants Phorm" and I am just a "scaremonger".
Alexander Hanff

Sounds like he's rattled

Originally Posted by mark777

I like "ISPy on U".

snip.....but how many people know what an ISP is?

Hopefully, everyone who would be affected by a Phorm deployment

Originally Posted by lucevans

...Something beginning with:.....snip
a profit

Hrhrhrhr! You're enjoying this aren't you?

[AlexanderHanff]

Originally Posted by mark777

Well done Alexander and thank you.

I hope the BBC decide to inform and educate and let Kent provide the entertainment.

Do you think the BBC could get a response from Richard Clayton to Kent's Quote?

Well done once again.

Dunno about the BBC re Dr Clayton, but I have his email address at hand and you can be damn sure I will contacting him tomorrow, it is worth it just for the laugh it will raise down there in Cambridge.

Alexander Hanff

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Originally Posted by Kursk

Sounds like he's rattled

I felt like saying "I must be a bloody good scaremonger judging by the performance of Phorm's shares over the past 2 months." but alas I am polite and don't resort to personal attacks. Some might consider I am more professional than Kent and according to my badge, I am an IT Specialist so you better watch out

Alexander Hanff

[lucevans]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Hrhrhrhr! You're enjoying this aren't you?

[Florence]

Well done Alexander seems Kent is as we still thought rotten to the core...

He must be really worried about you something you have picked up on is his weak link just what.. or is it the whole package that is the weak link phorm itself.