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Old 15-03-2025, 19:40   #4441
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A tried and tested objection based, here, on the premise of a topic-based discussion forum. The HS2 topic is still there. I note you are still not exercised enough by its issues to actually post there. Because, of course, you mention it purely to distract attention from what is possibly the single most egregious failure of SNP policy. (Until, of course, NHS Scotland gets sued to within an inch of its life next year for implementing de facto gender self ID in all its staff changing rooms on instructions from Bute House. But that’s another topic again).
I don’t need to be sufficiently exercised to post about HS2 in that thread to invoke it in others. As I outlined above elections, and a hypothetical independence referendum, are a choice of options on the table. The SNP track record held against Labour, the Conservatives and anyone else.

You won’t find me sticking up for self-ID as a principle anywhere, and especially when it’s not the law of the land. It is a shame though that none of the unionist parties opposed it when the Scottish Parliament passed a Bill that was outside devolved competence. An open goal missed to instead pander to a woke agenda, so obviously out of step with the population as a whole, leaving them unable to capitalise on the scandal you correctly predict.

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Wow. What a word salad - and all with the intent of ignoring one simple fact. Nationalists need symbols, and these hulls, produced by the last shipyard on the lower Clyde, were meant to be those symbols. The fact is that SNP politicians are of such poor calibre, not only did they force an inadequate shipyard to start building from inadequate designs, they couldn’t even understand that sooner or later they would be held accountable for the mess they made.

And so every time a new aspect of their brave new world goes to rat poop, their loyal foot soldiers are deployed to point and shout, anywhere, absolutely anywhere, but at the leaders who (had they got their way) would be runnning an entire nation state by now.
You say all of the above as if the average person is expected to believe the uniparty down south are capable of running a nation state anywhere other than into the ground.

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We have dodged a bullet. Sadly the inhabitants of Arran have not.
It may well be a bullet dodged but the damning indictment for unionism is that even unionists can’t find a positive thing to say about it.

As you will know, although others may not, the state broadcaster has done the ferries scandal to death up here for a number of years and it has barely moved the dial. For unionists in debating these thing the answer is seemingly to simply accept delay, exceeding budget and overrun as the norm so long as it has a red or blue tinge.

The “word salad” as you put it was broadly agreeing with you, and I’m sure if you re-read it in any context other than the opportunity for an anti-SNP diatribe you’d broadly agree with it. Once again an inherent problem with unionist debating “techniques”. Little wonder neither the Labour or Conservative Party can make inroads on an SNP that is on it’s third leader in three years and fairly objectively should be running on fumes.

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(Edit) as if by magic my Xitter feed offers me this nugget. Note the ferry’s bridge has no windows - these were painted on (yes, really) to make the thing look presentable for what was a pure photo op. Note also the date, 8 years ago. This thing sat in the water for 8 years before entering fare-paying service.

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And yet nobody can adequately counter the point
No one needs to. HS2 (failings or otherwise) have zero effect or relevance to the mess being discussed.
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Old 16-03-2025, 06:40   #4444
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No one needs to. HS2 (failings or otherwise) have zero effect or relevance to the mess being discussed.
It absolutely is relevant when Scottish voters go to the ballot box and the topic of independence. As much as I'd like what happens in the rest of the UK to be a balls up in a foreign country, it isn't.

Similarly Michelle Mone and the PPE scandal, aircraft carriers with no aircraft , Thames Water, etc. These are all examples of UK Government balls ups relevant for Scottish taxpayers as much as the rest of the UK. 400 million - on a boat that goes back into service today - is extremely small beer despite the best efforts of the BBC and unionist parties to portray that the SNP are uniquely capable of ballsing up.

One could equally argue a (similarly weak) point it's not relevant to this thread how bad the SNP get because an independent Scotland wouldn't necessarily vote SNP. All those competent unionist parties might win.

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