Child grooming gang found guilty

Originally Posted by Russ

Can you find links to such cases? I'm not saying there haven't been any by the way.

I don't really want to search for it but there was the case of the female nursery worker and a man she met over the net. There are currently cases coming out from former childrens homes and so on.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Damien

I don't really want to search for it but there was the case of the female nursery worker and a man she met over the net. There are currently cases coming out from former childrens homes and so on.

That's a pretty poor effort and hardly a 'gang'. Completely different methods too. Not saying one is better or worse than the other but some very distinct differences.

Originally Posted by Russ

That's a pretty poor effort and hardly a 'gang'. Completely different methods too. Not saying one is better or worse than the other but some very distinct differences.

It's a group of people conspiring to abuse. There are differences in how they go about it obviously but the fundamental problem is the same.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Damien

I don't really want to search for it but there was the case of the female nursery worker and a man she met over the net. There are currently cases coming out from former childrens homes and so on.

Persuading somebody over the internet, suggests that willing participants amongst that group are rare, ie can't ask somebody next door. Children's home type activity will be one of 2 things. People taking a job there in order to abuse or only developing an interest they didn't have before, because they are surrounded by kids.

Link

A teenager facing a life sentence today for raping an 11-year-old girl as she made her way home from school had a 'sexual interest in very young white girls' and had attacked another before, it can be revealed today.
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Rosina Cottage QC, prosecuting, said: "Jaji is interested in little girls and sexual acts with little girls."
Jaji was arrested a few days later after CCTV was viewed and his bedroom was searched.
A book was found about a little girl being sexually assaulted, along with ads for child care vacancies and a picture of a girl in Australia.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Damien

It's a group of people conspiring to abuse. There are differences in how they go about it obviously but the fundamental problem is the same.

Nobody is saying white British people don't abuse children. But are you honestly suggesting there is isn't a significant different between one case involving 3 individual people spread around the country, and groups of 5-8 men in their own communities? Especially with there being cases brought to court on a regular basis?

Originally Posted by Russ

Nobody is saying white British people don't abuse children. But are you honestly suggesting there is isn't a significant different between one case involving 3 individual people spread around the country, and groups of 5-8 men in their own communities? Especially with there being cases brought to court on a regular basis?

I think there is a difference in how they go about their abuse obviously. It will be important to examine why it's happens like that. I don't think it's any worse than three people meeting over the Internet however. Which is why I responded to your initial post about your impression that some people wanted a white gang to be caught to 'balance it out'.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Damien

It will be important to examine why it's happens like that.

This is the crux of the matter. When there are repeated similarities between certain crimes I've always thought the authorities would aim their resources at the common denominator. So for the life of me I cannot understand why the Asian element is not acknowledged more. Yes they target vulnerable girls but so do any sex criminals usually, especially when the victims are under 16.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, if you do a google for "sex gang in court" you just don't find any involving the gang members being white British. Again I'll never be so stupid as to suggest it doesn't happen but this overwhelmingly common denominator stands out a mile.

Guardian - http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ism-takes-root

By now surely everyone knows the case of the eight men convicted of picking vulnerable underage girls off the streets, then plying them with drink and drugs before having sex with them. A shocking story. But maybe you haven't heard. Because these sex assaults did not take place in Rochdale, where a similar story led the news for days in May, but in Derby earlier this month. Fifteen girls aged 13 to 15, many of them in care, were preyed on by the men. And though they were not working as a gang, their methods were similar – often targeting children in care and luring them with, among other things, cuddly toys. But this time, of the eight predators, seven were white, not Asian. And the story made barely a ripple in the national media.

Of the daily papers, only the Guardian and the Times reported it.....

.....In fact, Penzance had not just one paedophile, but a gang of four. They abused 28 girls, some as young as five, and were finally convicted two years ago. All were white.

[Russ]

While certainly enlightening, I find it curious that this is just one report from almost a year ago. The number of Asian sex gangs still certainly seem to outweigh the number of whites.

[Pierre]

FFS, this story was wheeled out ages ago.

Read it, in fact read the clip you posted.

And though they were not working as a gang,

Clue is there, these are several isolated cases, albeit in the same town, but not an organised ring or gang.

This story was written by an apologist trying put the point across that we're picking on the Asian community, and that there are similar white gangs out there, which isn't the case.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Guardian - http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ism-takes-root

Penzance:- Gang of 4 or is it 3?

Although no link was established between Wills and the others, two of the victims were abused by all four men.

Machin was introduced to the victims in 2005 by convicted paedophile Barrett, who had already been grooming and abusing them before passing them on to other men to do the same.

Sound more like a collaboration than a gang. Individuals starting and then finding others with similar interests.
Derby:- Gang or individuals? No passing them around the country or threats of violence.

A jury took 12 hours to convict five of the predators, who all acted individually rather than as part of a gang, after three teenage victims gave evidence in a month-long trial. The three others had pleaded guilty earlier.

But the intense interest in the Rochdale story arose from a January 2011 Times "scoop" that was based on the conviction of at most 50 British Pakistanis out of a total UK population of 1.2 million, just one in 24,000: one person per Penzance.

There have been more convictions in the past year and there are 2 ongoing cases that I know of and another recent raid with arrests. The number of convictions is meaningless as they took them around the country for other "customers". Those "customers" are not included in that figure of 50. As the ones currently discovered were not known about at some point in time, that means there is the potential for others yet to be uncovered.

The question is what %age of a group would be willing to take part. Consider having to get together a group of 8 people to take part in a particular activity, not an illegal one, but a purely innocent one(eg stamp collecting, playing bridge). How many people would you have to ask before you could get a group of 8 together. If you had to only ask at most 100 people from your circle of family, friends, work colleagues, how does that compare to having to ask 100,000. The "activity" must be extremely popular amongst the set of 100 people. It must therefore be easy to form other groups of 8 by asking other sets of 100 people with the same characteristics. Eg it would be easier to form multiple cricket teams by asking Brits than by asking Americans. Conclusion a higher %age of Brits are into cricket than Americans.

One of the real concerns should be that these 'Asian' gangs didn't have to search far and wide for fellow participants, they were surrounded by them, in their family, friends, and work colleagues.

[thenry]

Two sets of brothers have been jailed for life for their sadistic abuse and rape of young girls as part of a sex ring they operated for seven years.

http://news.sky.com/story/1108875/ox...ailed-for-life

rot! *******s.

[Hom3r]

IMHO should be whole life tarif

[spreadsheet]

once again Pakistanis

[Jimmy-J]

Originally Posted by spreadsheet

once again Pakistanis

"All of whom were of Pakistani or north African origin"

The most harrowing account came from a girl who was groomed from the age of 11 and forced to have an illegal abortion on the living room floor of a house in Reading, aged 12.

*******s!