Saddam Hussein Executed

[punky]

Originally Posted by budwieser

Gavin, What hateful comments did i post please?

See PM.

[budwieser]

Sorry, I apologise to you all, I got a bit carried away last night
Obviously, i`m not allowed to say my views on things that i feel are wrong, either in the world or in my own country.
I`m sorry if anyone was offended, Gavin i apologise to you also for questioning your decision, rightly or wrongly.
budwieser.

[BBKing]

Originally Posted by Gavin

Sunnis and Shiites have been warring for 1,300 years

Not true, actually - in Syria, to take an example at random, there's a largely Sunni country governed by Shias. There's more than one sort of Shia, too, as well as more than one sort of Sunni. In Iraq, the Mahdi Army (the ones who got the Saddam-lynching contract) are actually quite sympathetic to the non-Baathist, non-al-Qaeda Sunnis, who share a common hatred of the American occupation. A bit of nuance and understanding helps here, I find - not all Sunnis are extremists and not all Shia are Khomeneist fundies, either.

Originally Posted by budwieser

Nobody in this country of ours today,has the right to protect ourselves or our families without the threat of prosecution and that really hurts me badly

Slightly wrong. You have the right to defend yourself and your property using reasonable force, which is defined very broadly (for instance, it's not the actual threat that matters legally, but your instantaneous perception of the threat, even if that turns out to be wrong). Don't believe the tabloid rubbish, get the facts. What you aren't allowed to do, and correct me if this is what you're advocating, is premeditated assault or murder. A threat of prosecution in those cases would be in order, I suggest.

Originally Posted by budwieser

Obviously, i`m not allowed to say my views on things that i feel are wrong, either in the world or in my own country.

No, no no. You have a perfect right to talk uninformed rot, and swear on a forum where the community agrees that this isn't acceptable language, but don't complain if you get pulled up for it. Or don't you believe in accepting the consequences of your actions?

Saddam? Shows how much the Americans and British have lost the Iraq War, to me. I've seen the future and it puts the mental into fundamentalist. Anyone talking about 'stabilising the democratically elected government' and 'backing the Iraqi forces in their struggle against the insurgency' during the next 12 months should have 'liar' shouted at them.

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/20...59318228411422

Not that I agree with the Death penality as I certainly do not! Nor do I agree with the actions of filming Saddam.

But I am puzzled why people care about Saddams dignity? He was sentenced to death by hanging, in front of people, what else did people expect? Also why lose sleep over it? Its not as if he had any dignity to lose

Originally Posted by Damien

Not that I agree with the Death penality as I certainly do not! Nor do I agree with the actions of filming Saddam.

But I am puzzled why people care about Saddams dignity? He was sentenced to death by hanging, in front of people, what else did people expect? Also why lose sleep over it? Its not as if he had any dignity to lose

If the people who are supposed to be the good guys act like the bad guys, how can anyone tell the difference?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

Not that I agree with the Death penality as I certainly do not! Nor do I agree with the actions of filming Saddam.

But I am puzzled why people care about Saddams dignity? He was sentenced to death by hanging, in front of people, what else did people expect? Also why lose sleep over it? Its not as if he had any dignity to lose

I am glad it was filmed, gave me a chance to see what the 'New Iraq' is like, not much different to the old Iraq by the look of it and btw I don't think people are as much bothered by the dignity of Saddams death, its the fact he came out of it looking better ( if thats possible) than his executioners.

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

If the people who are supposed to be the good guys act like the bad guys, how can anyone tell the difference?

Who said there are any good guys?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

its the fact he came out of it looking better ( if thats possible) than his executioners.

Did he?
How?

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I am glad it was filmed, gave me a chance to see what the 'New Iraq' is like, not much different to the old Iraq by the look of it and btw I don't think people are as much bothered by the dignity of Saddams death, its the fact he came out of it looking better ( if thats possible) than his executioners.

Well thats the Death penality for you. It was the Iraqi court who sentenced him however, and its their justice. We have to leave them to their devices really.

Also, The big difference between old iraq and this one. Between Saddam and the executioners is that Saddam actually commited a real crime and it was him who commited it.

No killing people for the crime for disagreeing or not being liked by Saddam.

Originally Posted by Escapee

Who said there are any good guys?

The fact that you have to ask that question is worrying.........

Aren't the good guys the ones who believe in democracy, freedom of speech, truth and the American/European/British way, equality of opportunity, helping others without regard to themselves, etc, etc.

[BBKing]

If the people who are supposed to be the good guys act like the bad guys

The Mahdi Army of Moqtada al-Sadr are the good guys? They do ecologically friendly ethnic cleansing using lead-free bullets or something?

Anyone see the rumour that Sadr himself has got the noose? Since Saddam had his dad murdered, this seems only fair. Dubya, on the other hand, has Saddam's pistol, but his dad was famously not murdered by Saddam. Funny how those two religious madmen share so much, really.

Funny how the head of the avowedly secular Ba'ath Party came over all religious at the end, eh? Wonder who that was aimed at?

What isn't funny is all the Kurds who will not see Saddam in court for his crimes against them. The message was that the Shia are in charge, the Shia get the justice, the Shia carry out the sentence and everyone else can, well, go hang. Personally I'd have let him rot in prison, drag him out once a year, try and convict him of another crime, give him another hundred years or so and shove him back in the cooler. No martyrdom, no idiotic dancing executioners, no fuss, perhaps even a chance of justice.

[budwieser]

Originally Posted by BBKing

Not true, actually - in Syria, to take an example at random, there's a largely Sunni country governed by Shias. There's more than one sort of Shia, too, as well as more than one sort of Sunni. In Iraq, the Mahdi Army (the ones who got the Saddam-lynching contract) are actually quite sympathetic to the non-Baathist, non-al-Qaeda Sunnis, who share a common hatred of the American occupation. A bit of nuance and understanding helps here, I find - not all Sunnis are extremists and not all Shia are Khomeneist fundies, either.



Slightly wrong. You have the right to defend yourself and your property using reasonable force, which is defined very broadly (for instance, it's not the actual threat that matters legally, but your instantaneous perception of the threat, even if that turns out to be wrong). Don't believe the tabloid rubbish, get the facts. What you aren't allowed to do, and correct me if this is what you're advocating, is premeditated assault or murder. A threat of prosecution in those cases would be in order, I suggest.



No, no no. You have a perfect right to talk uninformed rot, and swear on a forum where the community agrees that this isn't acceptable language, but don't complain if you get pulled up for it. Or don't you believe in accepting the consequences of your actions?

Saddam? Shows how much the Americans and British have lost the Iraq War, to me. I've seen the future and it puts the mental into fundamentalist. Anyone talking about 'stabilising the democratically elected government' and 'backing the Iraqi forces in their struggle against the insurgency' during the next 12 months should have 'liar' shouted at them.

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/20...59318228411422

"Slightly wrong. You have the right to defend yourself and your property using reasonable force, which is defined very broadly (for instance, it's not the actual threat that matters legally, but your instantaneous perception of the threat, even if that turns out to be wrong). Don't believe the tabloid rubbish, get the facts. What you aren't allowed to do, and correct me if this is what you're advocating, is premeditated assault or murder. A threat of prosecution in those cases would be in order, I suggest."

Totally wrong mate! What i` am saying is what i would do basically if you or anyone else came into my house to rob it or cause harm to me or my family, or, caused harm or grief to a member of my family. No premeditation mentioned there is there? You take your chance and you suffer the consequences. Isn`t it the same thing that Law in this country is based upon?
As for the swearing, i have apologised for that so don`t try and get me on one , ok?
I also have a right to talk" uninformed Rot" the same as you have mate.

Originally Posted by foreverwar

The fact that you have to ask that question is worrying.........

Aren't the good guys the ones who believe in democracy, freedom of speech, truth and the American/European/British way, equality of opportunity, helping others without regard to themselves, etc, etc.

I think we are better than Saddam at least I think we sometimes try to hard to find moral ambiguity in the actions of people like Saddam (Bush = No 1 terrorist for example)

Weither you agree with the Hanging of Saddam or not (I dont). I do not think it blurs any line of good or bad between us and saddam.

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Totally wrong mate! What i` am saying is what i would do basically if you or anyone else came into my house to rob it or cause harm to me or my family, or, caused harm or grief to a member of my family. No premeditation mentioned there is there? You take your chance and you suffer the consequences. Isn`t it the same thing that Law in this country is based upon?

You are off-topic. But you can defend yourself, whats the problem?

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

The fact that you have to ask that question is worrying.........

Aren't the good guys the ones who believe in democracy, freedom of speech, truth and the American/European/British way, equality of opportunity, helping others without regard to themselves, etc, etc.

I believe once we leave the new to their own devices, they will turn out to be no better than the old.

Originally Posted by Damien

I think we are better than Saddam at least I think we sometimes try to hard to find moral ambiguity in the actions of people like Saddam (Bush = No 1 terrorist for example)

Weither you agree with the Hanging of Saddam or not (I dont). I do not think it blurs any line of good or bad between us and saddam.

Damien, don't get me wrong - I think Saddam was an evil tyrant, but if the people we replace him with act in the way they have, how does that reflect on the UK and the US.