23-07-2022, 20:28
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by jfman
Remove the tin foil hat and the blinkers, OB.
Decades of Conservative ideology have bankrupted this country. Lemmings have consistently voted to make themselves poorer, to make Britain less competitive, to sell off it’s assets.
The bogeyman is on this side of the Channel. Not that one.
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Except that rather than address the point that the French were late to get to their booths, you prefer to divert the argument. This was the fault of the French, not of GB. Or maybe you know different…
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
How odd, it’s almost as if taking back control doesn’t just explicitly apply to the U.K. other nations can do as they see fit…
Suck it up, buttercup
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Except that Otis the EU attempting to sabotage our freedom, rather than the UK trying to damage the EU.
They are lying, scheming bureaucrats and it is not surprising that you are batting for the other side.
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Originally Posted by Dave42
em it was the UK that wanted to be a third country and all the extra bureaucracy and border checks OB
being a third country is exactly what we got cant blame France for that one was the UK's choice
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1550878727038533633
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At what point did we vote for bureaucracy? This is what we were escaping from!
The EU, even now, is trying to shackle us to conform with their stifling rules, even though we have left.
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23-07-2022, 20:29
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Except that rather than address the point that the French were late to get to their booths, you prefer to divert the argument. This was the fault of the French, not of GB. Or maybe you know different…
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Who is more likely to be lying in this scenario - the French who have no reason to not act in good faith or the UK who have been woefully prepared and a bad faith actor throughout?
They're taking you for a fool, OB.
We are still waiting for you to tell us some EU legislation in the financial services sector that is holding us back?
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23-07-2022, 20:46
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Who is more likely to be lying in this scenario - the French who have no reason to not act in good faith or the UK who have been woefully prepared and a bad faith actor throughout?
They're taking you for a fool, OB.
We are still waiting for you to tell us some EU legislation in the financial services sector that is holding us back?
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The French have every reason to do just that. Their pathetic attempt to blame their failure to report for duty due to issues at the Channel Tunnel have been well and truly debunked by Eurotunnel.
Incidentally, I am not wasting my time providing links to facts that are already well known. We are all capable of surfing the internet these days to back up whatever beliefs we may have on anything.
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23-07-2022, 20:53
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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I am not wasting my time providing links to facts
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Why provide an evidence base when you've relied so successfully on hopeless speculation to date, eh?
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23-07-2022, 20:55
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What about your speculation, jfman? What’s good for the goose…
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23-07-2022, 20:58
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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What about your speculation, jfman? What’s good for the goose…
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What speculation?
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23-07-2022, 21:03
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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What speculation?
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23-07-2022, 21:05
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Except that rather than address the point that the French were late to get to their booths, you prefer to divert the argument. This was the fault of the French, not of GB. Or maybe you know different…
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Except that Otis the EU attempting to sabotage our freedom, rather than the UK trying to damage the EU.
They are lying, scheming bureaucrats and it is not surprising that you are batting for the other side.
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At what point did we vote for bureaucracy? This is what we were escaping from!
The EU, even now, is trying to shackle us to conform with their stifling rules, even though we have left.
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Not just the French - it’s the whole of the EU treating us just as they treat every other country outside the EU/EFTA, as a Third Country; we don’t get to leave the Free Movement area, and keep Free Movement.
You’re getting what you voted for.
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23-07-2022, 21:09
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Not just the French - it’s the whole of the EU treating us just as they treat every other country outside the EU/EFTA, as a Third Country; we don’t get to leave the Free Movement area, and keep Free Movement.
You’re getting what you voted for.
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The EU countries have differing positions on this, but the French appear to be the most aggressive.
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23-07-2022, 21:10
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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The EU countries have differing positions on this, but the French appear to be the most aggressive.
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Source?
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23-07-2022, 21:17
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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The EU countries have differing positions on this, but the French appear to be the most aggressive.
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Well, this year I have been to Portugal, Cyprus, and Croatia, and in each case we had to use the non-EU channels, get our passports inspected and stamped, so I’m not sure your statement is based in actuality.
You may blame the French for understaffing their passport controls at Dover - you can’t blame them for the fact that enhanced formal passport checks are now required at Dover.
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23-07-2022, 22:01
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Re: Britain outside the EU
When we went to Tenerife, we also had to use the non EU channels, where they quickly "checked" our passports and stamped them (in and out). We did not face 5 hour delays. In fact, by far the longest delay was getting back into the country at the UK border, after we landed, where they insist in using those dreadful automated passport machines that take 10 times longer than a human.
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23-07-2022, 22:44
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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When we went to Tenerife, we also had to use the non EU channels, where they quickly "checked" our passports and stamped them (in and out). We did not face 5 hour delays. In fact, by far the longest delay was getting back into the country at the UK border, after we landed, where they insist in using those dreadful automated passport machines that take 10 times longer than a human.
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I've had a delay getting back into the U.K quite often at Calais and likewise it's been the U.K border that is the issue but it's also partly because they now have to check every EU citizen. They want to know if they have the right to remain or if they're visiting. So an EU citizen with a right to remain holds up the line and each tourist is checked to make sure they're going to return after.
Those machines check the right to remain status.
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23-07-2022, 22:44
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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The bleedin' obvious.
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23-07-2022, 22:47
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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You may blame the French for understaffing their passport controls at Dover - you can’t blame them for the fact that enhanced formal passport checks are now required at Dover.
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Yeah. These delays are because the French border was undermanned for the demand that was there this weekend. It's never normally that bad but a long shot.
But the whole process is slower anyway as well. I wish they could come to some arrangement independent of the EU to make it easier for UK/EU citizens to travel.
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