Climate Change

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well the cynic in me would say you immediately Googled “Bjorn Lomborg - fossil fuel funded”, or something similar, after reading my post.

And the best you could come up with is an 8 year old article, regarding a “donation” that was 10yrs ago.

That said, nothing in your link, disproves or discredits, Lomborg’s argument on the matter.

Better luck next time.

Good try at deflecting. I just googled Bjorn Lomborg, then chose the Who Pays Bjorn Lomborg. To be fair it's a reasonable question to ask, and while it disproves or discredits nothing it does raise (legitimate?) questions about who is pulling his strings and why.

I normally do a quick check in to people before I blindly recommend them but maybe you don't?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Good try at deflecting. I just googled Bjorn Lomborg, then chose the Who Pays Bjorn Lomborg. To be fair it's a reasonable question to ask, and while it disproves or discredits nothing it does raise (legitimate?) questions about who is pulling his strings and why.

I normally do a quick check in to people before I blindly recommend them but maybe you don't?

Oxymoron there, Grim. If you've done a quick check, you're not "blindly" recommending them.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Oxymoron there, Grim. If you've done a quick check, you're not "blindly" recommending them.

I see my sarcasm wasn't lost on you.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

I wouldn't bother. Those that refuse to accept the reality of the situation will never be convinced, even when the sea water comes through their front door.

Your reality, maybe, Mr K, and honestly, I don't blame you for jumping to that conclusion. You believe what you read in the 'respected' media, and why shouldn't you?

But look at one fact we all know, and that you discount - ths mini-ice age. It was sudden, and clearly nothing to do with mankind.

There are other worries I've had over time, including the infinitely small 0.04% amount of carbon in the atmosphere, because our emissions are not all absorbed by the atmosphere, and the solar maximus, but take a look at this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-66331558

[EXTRACT]

Researchers at the IBS Centre for Climate Physics in Busan, in South Korea, ran computer model simulations using data from the sediments. They found that average winter temperatures plummeted in many areas in Europe well below freezing, even in the otherwise milder Mediterranean.


Many of us sceptics are saying that while a warming trend may be happening, we may have got the wrong end of the stick. Does item this not give you pause for thought?

And what about the FACT that the Earth has previously been much warmer than we are now, and THAT was not 'irreversible'?

I think we need to question more what we are being told by the so-called 'experts'.

So many posters on here are on some kind of loop. I hope you are not one of them and are able to question the information that we are being fed.

It was much warmer, but under one million humans lived on the planet…

I know, why listen to the 97% of Climate Scientists- what do they know….

I think we need to question more what we are being told by the so-called 'experts'.

You are Michael Gove, and I claim my five pounds!

btw, they are not "so called " experts, they are tens of thousands of scientists who put their findings up for peer review, criticism, and feedback, rather than ‘I did my own research*"…

*I watched a non-scientist’s YouTube video

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

I see my sarcasm wasn't lost on you.

Hugh is the sarcasm Meister.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Hugh is the sarcasm Meister.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

So many posters on here are on some kind of loop. I hope you are not one of them and are able to question the information that we are being fed.

Why is the Conservative Party an organisation exempt from your natural scepticism? They wouldn’t feed you false information now, would they?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Good try at deflecting.

And then you actually confirm you did exactly what I accused you of

I just googled Bjorn Lomborg, then chose the Who Pays Bjorn Lomborg.

and while it disproves or discredits nothing.

quite


Before you try to disprove or discredit anyone, why not listen to what they have to say first?

If you had actually listened to one of his interviews (which are widely available) formed an opinion, then done your 10 sec deep internet trawl.

And come back with a coherent, informed objective, post. ……………well wouldn’t the world be a better place if we all did that.

I would not matter if everyone agreed the planet was getting warmer due to humans.

There would still be no agreement on what to actually do about it ...

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Paul

I would not matter if everyone agreed the planet was getting warmer due to humans.

There would still be no agreement on what to actually do about it ...

This is almost certainly sadly true.

Too many people, companies and states would be stuck with outdated late 20th century economic models considering only their own short term interests.

The private sector is incapable of innovating or providing high quality public services at any meaningful scale. It doesn’t matter what companies or countries - they routinely fail at large scale infrastructure projects leaving the brainwashed taxpayer, believing countries have to manage their budgets like households, questioning the short term value and unable to comprehend that Governments could (and should) plough trillions into long term solutions.

Very long term economic stagnation might focus the minds but we are some distance from that.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

It was much warmer, but under one million humans lived on the planet…

I know, why listen to the 97% of Climate Scientists- what do they know….

Erm, so we had global warmth, but no man-made influence?

Come on, old chap, join the dots.

And I’ve told you previously that sceptical meteorologists were advised in no uncertain terms some years back that if they continued to question the man-made climate change fantasy, it would ruin their careers. I know one of those meteorologists who despairs at the manipulation involved which goes way beyond the COVID coercion that we all experienced and which only now are more mainstream people starting to question.

So guess what the sceptic meteorologists did next? They folded. Join the dots.

And you do know that Greenland used to be ice free, don’t you?

And you do know that the mini-ice age coincided with the solar minimus, don’t you, and that we are currently experiencing the solar maximus?

Look, I could go on, but I’m not asking anyone to just blindly believe what I say either. I’m just saying, think for yourself and have a more open mind on these things. Those 3% of scientists who still continue to put their heads above the parapet might just be onto something.

Remember how people on here scoffed at anyone questioning the need for COVID lockdowns at the time? How did you and others respond to us at the time? With contempt, that’s how.

What amazes me is that this is a discussion forum where nobody (apart from a few of us diehards) want to discuss anything. You just use this as a place to rant and spew your spleens at anyone who disagrees.

I’m not applying that to you, Hugh, you are nicer than that. You just ridicule and post put downs.

It’s a shame, because with the range of knowledge available on this forum, this could become a well respected depository of information.

I’m afraid I have given up on it for now. But I still hope that things will change over time.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

But I’m not asking anyone to just blindly believe what I say either.

Phew, I thought buying into being an utterly deranged fantasist might have been obligatory at the point I felt like scratching my eyeballs out reading it.

Hear me out but I’ve got a conspiracy theory that big oil are using conspiracy theories to convince the sheeple to keep consuming oil based energy thus generating massive profits. It requires a small but critical mass - say 3% - of scientists to just throw enough shit around. Then social media does the rest.

What say you to that Mr Sceptic man. Think for yourself.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Phew, I thought buying into being an utterly deranged fantasist might have been obligatory at the point I felt like scratching my eyeballs out reading it.

Hear me out but I’ve got a conspiracy theory that big oil are using conspiracy theories to convince the sheeple to keep consuming oil based energy thus generating massive profits. It requires a small but critical mass - say 3% - of scientists to just throw enough shit around. Then social media does the rest.

What say you to that Mr Sceptic man. Think for yourself.

There you go, never actually answering the points actually made. The only way you ever think you’ve won an argument is through ridicule. We see through you, jfman.

Now what about actually addressing the points I have made?