*ALL* ntl Cap Discussion Here Please.

[etccarmageddon]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

"And no bank would offer a loan to someone they expected to go bankrupt. They just know that of x thousand people who walk through the door, Y of them'll go bankrupt, (and z of them'll go into enough debt for the bank to clean up on the interest charges, but not quite enough for them to stop paying ) so they pitch their rates accordingly so that on average the punters who pay up cover the losses on those that don't. They just don't know which ones that'll be."

Very good point as like many other things the customers who pay up are subsidising the loss making customers, various businesses work like this, but however for some reason a few on broadband have decided this is unfair practice.

An invalid point though as Banks do risk assessments whereas NTL dont need to do risk assessments. NTL can work on hard facts - ie. your usage. Banks have to allow for some customers becoming 'leachers' ie. bankrupts because they can not fully predict the future. Therefore Banks dont have these loss making customers out of choice but because they are unable to predict the future.

Banks have the ability to refuse a loan to someone - if they can find facts to suggest that person will be a loss maker then they will - the bank's version of a 'leacher' would be a bankrupt or someone with county court judgements etc.

NTL also appear to be wanting to protect themselves from loss making customers.

The only risks in common with a Bank lending money is that NTL have the risk that your monthly direct debit will bounce. So from that point of view NTL do follow the Banking example and take on the risk that you will fail to keep up with payments.


NB. banks also have a kind of 'cap' in place - it's the limit of the amount they will lend if it's a loan, or your credit limit on a credit card or your overdraft limit on a bank account.

[Gareth]

Originally Posted by zitianaki

ukonline is the best way i think how could you pass up 8Mb for so cheap with a good monthly allowance. i for one am moving straight to them in march as i am sure most users will move elsewhere to maybe not the ones who use net once a week and probably use 50MB a month and dont care. some days i download at least 10GB others 5 ish ntl is good stable isp but a 40GB cap.... no thanks
and whats better is i am 1kilometer away from exchange ill for sure get full speed and the fact about 2 ppl in my area use net makes it even better. ntl should drop the cap or at least increase it like ukonline did.

Even if you're only 1KM away from the exchange then I'm afraid you won't be getting the full 8Mbit. Also, I'm surprised that the exchange would have been taken-up by ukonline if there's only 3 of you that'll be subscribing. Just out of interest, which exchange are you on? Is it on their list of unbundled exchanges?

[Rone]

My eldest lad is moving out shortly, him and his m8 are sharing a flat. Neither is rich enough to buy one on their own.
His mate found they cant get NTL, [its a small block of flats] but he has had ukonline switched on today. Now hes about 2.5 miles [work it out in km] from the exchange, and hes getting about 7mbit.
Even tho thats under 8meg by quite a bit, as he said who gives a f**k if its not 8meg for 39 quid? [pfff damn kids]
The first thing i asked my lad to do was run a speedtest.
Cant be too careful being a parent, you have to bring them up right proper.

Originally Posted by DieDieMyDarling

It would be about 320GB a month, on 3mb. :-D I don't even think i could have used that much back when i used to download a lot. I think my highest was something like 130GB one month, and that was really hammering it for all it was worth. :-O

I'd prefer to have unlimited bandwidth overnight, so I can download without slowing down my daytime browsing. I can easily get 2GB overnight.

[zitianaki]

Originally Posted by Gareth

Even if you're only 1KM away from the exchange then I'm afraid you won't be getting the full 8Mbit. Also, I'm surprised that the exchange would have been taken-up by ukonline if there's only 3 of you that'll be subscribing. Just out of interest, which exchange are you on? Is it on their list of unbundled exchanges?

I am in Cambridge myself and i was told 2km or closer means you would likely to get full speed and even if i dont it will be alot better speed then ntl with a decent cap. i would never stick to 40GB a month thats just bad how ntl think thats enough for users. ive been on ntl through all my cable years never used any other broadband provider from 56k when i used ntls 0800 to cable now and to be honest ntl are good stable i never have problems its the 40GB cap that pushed me to want to leave that and ukonline's offer i cant ignore. could use more of an upload to

[Chrysalis]

ntl gave me credit check when I signed up, isnt this a risk assesment?
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Originally Posted by Gareth

Even if you're only 1KM away from the exchange then I'm afraid you won't be getting the full 8Mbit. Also, I'm surprised that the exchange would have been taken-up by ukonline if there's only 3 of you that'll be subscribing. Just out of interest, which exchange are you on? Is it on their list of unbundled exchanges?

Who told you 1km is wrong, 2km is the guideline but many will get it over that distance. ukonline is LLU and doesnt have to go by BT stupid guidelines.

[Mattitude]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

ntl gave me credit check when I signed up, isnt this a risk assesment?

AFAIK, The credit check is only done if you decide to go for their phone service as well...

[mchu6am4]

Hi forum,

As it looks increasing likely that ntl will cap the new speeds, I am thinking of subscribing at 300k with 1GB/day cap. My question is, will I have a CHOICE/NO-CHOICE to upgrade to new speeds and if I do will I be subscribing to the new cap limits??

If choose not to upgrade to new speeds, will I still retain the 1GB/day??

I'm not too bothered about the high speed but more worried about the cap!!!

Your helpful comments and thoughts welcome.

Ash

if they are going to have "hard caps" then we should be allowed to transfer any unused downloaded gb's from previous months to the next months.

[Rone]

Originally Posted by bontrager

if they are going to have "hard caps" then we should be allowed to transfer any unused downloaded gb's from previous months to the next months.

Cant see that, how on earth could they monitor statistics like that for over 1 million customers, never mind implement it?
It is a good idea, just a non starter unfortunately.

[mrlipring]

exactly the same way they plan to monitor it in the first place, i'd imagine. It can't be hard to introduce rollover.

[nidave]

Mobile phone networks manage to monitor GPRS/WAP/ Call usage and allow roll overs. Most of them have over 1m customers it must be possable.

[SMHarman]

Originally Posted by Rone

Cant see that, how on earth could they monitor statistics like that for over 1 million customers, never mind implement it?
It is a good idea, just a non starter unfortunately.

Dont see why, Orange roll unused talk plan mins forward up to one month.
So if you have a 200 min plan and use 120 mins then next month you have 280 mins available. If you used none of these you would use the 80 and the 200 would roll giving 400 in month 3. Simple program should be able to cope with this.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by Mattitude

AFAIK, The credit check is only done if you decide to go for their phone service as well...

When I signed up was told tv and phone are compulsary if you want broadband, I have heard others have been allowed to not pay for a phone service but it doesnt seem the case in my area.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Rone

Cant see that, how on earth could they monitor statistics like that for over 1 million customers, never mind implement it?
It is a good idea, just a non starter unfortunately.

Relatively easily. The UBRs can log all data transfer, then simply send the data to NTL overnight. NTL already keep track of billing information for all those customers, so they can handle the amount of data required.