[Now Official] More ntl speed changes

[Ignition]

No fine.

I actually disagree with you. The users who gain the extra speed will probably realise they can do more with their connection than they have been and will begin to make use of it more for the activities that before just took too long.

What it will I hope do is give everyone a fair chance to get what they are paying for, and inspire those who were previously reluctant or unable to do bandwidth intensive tasks to begin to watch that 750k streaming movie trailer, use newsgroups and download music and video.

The savings from the 5% will fund the extra benefits for the 95%. In my opinion this is a good thing.

Until the capacity ntl have is unmetered, it's tricky to do a model of unmetered access to customers, especially with the huge disparity in usage between heavy and light, without an equivalent disparity in how much they are paying.

Also this allows innovations such as the big speed increases, allows better planning of future upgrades, and most of all allows prices to be competitive, without having to worry how much extra needs to be provisioned for those who have a mission to download the entire Internet Movie Database.

I would love a capped but higher speed package, sadly not going to happen at the moment. But I want to do things FAST. These upgrades will for the majority take some of the wait out of using the internet and inspire new uses. You can please some people all of the time, all some of the time, never all all of the time.

Those who are hammering the service certainly aren't profitable. Where do you draw the line? Every company has the right to be able to charge and provision their services at a level which is profitable, and at the same time keeps as many customers as happy possible - which is exactly what in my opinion this achieves.

Is this a capping thread or a thread about increased BB options from NTL?

Because if it's the former we are in danger of another merge.

[DVS]

Seeing as we are mentioning contention ratios anybody noticed that 40GB a month on 3MBit does not equal a 20:1 contention ratio which NTL are mean't to offer? (going off the way Ignition has quoted contention rations)

[DVS]

Speed of service is not going to benefit that many people. The problem with more speed at the client end of the equation is that content providers cannot and do not have the capacity to send the content that fast. For the general Joe Bloggs the difference between 1Mbit and 3Mbit will be unseen.

As to more users watching streaming video etc. That's not going to be viable and/or sustainable without said users incurring overage charges. User certainly won't be better off! NTL will.

Whilst I agree NTL is a company not a charity I see the entire Internet provisioning in this country returning to a late 90's PAYG system now that critical mass has been reached and users sucked on board by the promise of all you can eat solutions.

[DrAwesome]

Another well thought out NTL alternative BB product (Not)

A Tv advert for NTL competition, Showing a family gathering round their networked computers suddenly greeted with a messege from NTL saying they have run out of allocated usage because.... Billy downloaded paid for content from M$ XbL, John was watching internet Tv, Sue was making voIP to her friends, dad was downloading M$ Sp2 & security patch upgrades & mum video conferencing to family in the USA etc.

Signup to NTL BB today

dont forget to read the small print because with NTL BB that faster the connection the more restrictions you will endure.

I wonder when the NTL BB T&C's are going tobe sneakly amended hehehe...

[Weeble]

Originally Posted by Ignition

I would love a capped but higher speed package, sadly not going to happen at the moment. But I want to do things FAST. These upgrades will for the majority take some of the wait out of using the internet and inspire new uses. You can please some people all of the time, all some of the time, never all all of the time.

That's exactly the point that people seem to miss when they complain about the speeds going up but not the caps. For those people whose aim in life isn't to download the maximum possible about of data, being able to go see a movie trailer NOW rather than half an hour after you decided you wanted to see it is nice.

Weeb

If the 5GB allowance is just a guide line, and not strictly inforced, I'll go onto 1MB. But when they DO inforce it (if they ever will do) then I'll go to the 2MB.

[Weeble]

Originally Posted by DVS

Whilst I agree NTL is a company not a charity I see the entire Internet provisioning in this country returning to a late 90's PAYG system now that critical mass has been reached and users sucked on board by the promise of all you can eat solutions.

But surely there's got to be something in between being sat there watching the clock for every second that ticks by and having light users subsidise those who leech day and night?

Weeb

Originally Posted by Weeble

That's exactly the point that people seem to miss when they complain about the speeds going up but not the caps. For those people whose aim in life isn't to download the maximum possible about of data, being able to go see a movie trailer NOW rather than half an hour after you decided you wanted to see it is nice.

Weeb

I'm with Weeb on this one I very seldom want to look at this sort of thing or to download much.However when I do I don't see why I have to wait extra time because someone else is constantly maxing out their connection.I deserve consideration too because I too am paying for my BB.Why should I be be dismissed as a light user?

Right lets get off the capping and back to the point of the thread.

[Earwig]

Why are we moaning about something that has not even happened yet??

I doubt that any of this is actually definate and things may yet change.

I for one consider myself to be an extremely heavy user and will use my connection for what I beleive it was intended for......Streaming huge amounts of data and great speeds.
There is hardly a point on having a 3MB connection and then imposing a cap on top of it so it cannot be fully used. Indeed the only reason I will go for the 3MB service is simply becuase of the higher cap. I believe that that they should have there fastest connection at an uncapped level but maybe up the price a little. I'm not talking £50 or anything stupid like that but maybe £40 or £42.

If other countries can have these sorts of speeds.....and WAY above AND have them uncapped or at the very lease capped WAY higher than ours then why can we not??

The other thing to remember is that ADSL will fight back next year aswell and if they introduce higher speeds they are going to have to produce something pretty special to compete with the prices NTL have set out so far.

Their weapon could may well be an Uncapped service. Just look around at the moment and you will find at least 3-4 who offer 2MB with an uncapped service for less than £40.
Hopefully if this cap is to strict for me and many others here thsn these options will offer an alternative to this capped service.
Unfortunately my rickety old phoneline and it's 512 capacity at present means I may have to make the best of this offer by NTL.

[dirtydog]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Right lets get off the capping and back to the point of the thread.

Capping is very much on topic, the speed increase and capping are inextricably linked. ntl are giving with one hand and taking with the other, and seemingly fooling a lot of people with their sleight of hand in the process.

[Weeble]

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Capping is very much on topic, the speed increase and capping are inextricably linked. ntl are giving with one hand and taking with the other, and seemingly fooling a lot of people with their sleight of hand in the process.

Are they lowering the caps?

Weeb

Originally Posted by Scott

If the 5GB allowance is just a guide line, and not strictly inforced, I'll go onto 1MB. But when they DO inforce it (if they ever will do) then I'll go to the 2MB.

I think you can safely assume that it will be enforced, certainly not when they are first introduced, but as time progresses. I expect them to be enforced by the end of 2005.

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Capping is very much on topic, the speed increase and capping are inextricably linked. ntl are giving with one hand and taking with the other, and seemingly fooling a lot of people with their sleight of hand in the process.

Maybe but there is already a lot of long threads on the site about capping about three pages of them.

Why not go find one of those and hijack that one?

[Weeble]

Originally Posted by Paul M

I think you can safely assume that it will be enforced, certainly not when they are first introduced, but as time progresses. I expect them to be enforced by the end of 2005.

Well if they aren't enforced then they are a bit pointless as limits. I think there is an issue of a sensible way of doing it though. Nobody wants the byte gestapo turning up on their doorstep because they happened to go over the limit by a few kiB one day.

Weeb