Child grooming gang found guilty

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by spreadsheet

I wonder how 'level headed' the press would be about a bunch of white men who did the same thing to Asian girls?

That would be quite interesting. because it would be white men going for Asian/Muslim girls, and not their own.

would we say it was a white religion that makes them only go for Asian/Muslim girls?

they like Asian/Muslim girls better?

or something else like the Asian/Muslim girls 'deserve' it?

it would be really interesting too if one of the Asian men were to tell us why they only went for white girls.
and whether we'd accept his answer and not make excuses for him.

[spreadsheet]

I think it is very much a racial issue and don't see why people are trying to make out that it isn't

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by spreadsheet

I think it is very much a racial issue and don't see why people are trying to make out that it isn't

I think a lot of people know that. they just don't want to offend anyone by stating the obvious.

[thenry]

Oxford exploitation trial: Guilty verdicts over child rapes

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-22438623

Oxfordshire Child Sex Trafficking Ring Guilty

http://news.sky.com/story/1090821/ox...ng-ring-guilty

no remorse shown. cut their nads off! ******* crackheads.

As with the Rochdale case the girls where in the care of social services so is anyone actually taking social services to task for their failings

[Osem]

If they've acted negligently then we're likely to see a spate of civil actions I'd have thought.

[Russ]

Seems like the authorities are more concerned with 'community cohesion' than actually doing the right thing in cases like this.

Originally Posted by Osem

If they've acted negligently then we're likely to see a spate of civil actions I'd have thought.

so not lose their jobs then or be disciplined in any way .I note that one of the underlings ,a night guard or somesuch has lost his job ,because he would not pay the taxi and so a girl was taken back to Oxford and raped .I also note that the actual 'Boss' Joanna Simons has refused to resign,why does she get that option ?

[Osem]

Maybe she feels that although the pay and perks stop at the top, the buck doesn't.

Originally Posted by Osem

Maybe she feels that although the pay and perks stop at the top, the buck doesn't.

That should be the motto of all top civil servants because it certainly seems to be true

[Russ]

Taken from http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/ma...ual-abuse-race

A more credible link, says one senior source involved in bringing the criminals to justice, are their occupations. Speaking on condition of anonymity, the source said the demography of certain areas and the makeup of the night-time economy explained the over-representation of Asian offenders.

The source said: "Young vulnerable girls migrate to the night-time economy, where they come across taxi drivers and people working in takeaways, who are more likely to be Asian. It is better to focus on the professions of offenders, not their race or religion."

Firstly I don't accept anybody's religion or beliefs being part of this so it's annoying that they keep being referred to by some as 'Muslim' gangs. But the point he makes is an interesting one. The girls involved are out mostly at night in areas with taxis, take-aways etc and these jobs feature more Asian than non-white men.

OK I can accept that as a possible explanation of why there aren't any gangs of white men ending up in court on these crimes.

But it still shows that race plays a part in all this however for as long as authorities place 'community cohesiveness' as a higher priority we won't see a reduction in this any time soon.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Russ

Taken from http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/ma...ual-abuse-race



Firstly I don't accept anybody's religion or beliefs being part of this so it's annoying that they keep being referred to by some as 'Muslim' gangs. But the point he makes is an interesting one. The girls involved are out mostly at night in areas with taxis, take-aways etc and these jobs feature more Asian than non-white men. In this Oxford case, there wasn't a business that it was based around.

OK I can accept that as a possible explanation of why there aren't any gangs of white men ending up in court on these crimes.

But it still shows that race plays a part in all this however for as long as authorities place 'community cohesiveness' as a higher priority we won't see a reduction in this any time soon.

How likely are you going to see a gang based around the likes of a MacDonald's or a Burger King? Even if you try to use the notion of "Muslim" only businesses having access, it still doesn't begin to explain having sex with 11 YEAR OLDS and definitely doesn't come anywhere close to explaining the violent and degrading way they were treated. They not only had to find others to form a gang, but other 'customers' around the town/city and country. Even convicted sex offenders who have been jailed alongside other sex offenders and so have contacts, might find that difficult.

[Osem]

Police are investigating 54 alleged gangs in a crackdown on child grooming in England and Wales, peers have heard.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22617339

Raising the spate of recent convictions, Lord Morris said: "Is it collective amnesia that has blinded us to the underlying circumstances, whereby at least 27 police forces are investigating 54 alleged child grooming gangs?

"Why has investigating and prosecuting in so many different parts of the country taken so much time?

"Is it the fear of racialism, or is it the fact that many of these vulnerable girls come from care homes?"

It'll be interesting to find out.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Russ

Taken from http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/ma...ual-abuse-race



Firstly I don't accept anybody's religion or beliefs being part of this so it's annoying that they keep being referred to by some as 'Muslim' gangs. But the point he makes is an interesting one. The girls involved are out mostly at night in areas with taxis, take-aways etc and these jobs feature more Asian than non-white men.

OK I can accept that as a possible explanation of why there aren't any gangs of white men ending up in court on these crimes.

But it still shows that race plays a part in all this however for as long as authorities place 'community cohesiveness' as a higher priority we won't see a reduction in this any time soon.

I think part of the problem is that people see other people are a certain colour and think "Hmm, Muslim". Totally ignoring the fact that while Islam is probably the biggest religion in the East, it's certainly not the only one. That is, of course, assuming the people in question follow a religion.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Stuart

I think part of the problem is that people see other people are a certain colour and think "Hmm, Muslim". Totally ignoring the fact that while Islam is probably the biggest religion in the East, it's certainly not the only one. That is, of course, assuming the people in question follow a religion.

... and there are plenty of people who pick and choose which bits of their 'religion' they follow.