This one's going down

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Derek S

100MPH? Can't recall the speed getting that high on the video or in the evidence at the trial.

Surely you aren't using emotive numbers to try and back up your argument?

Anyway as for the radio part I've no idea whether or not he asked for assistance but I'll refer you to post 285 in this thread which shows the video of the incident that I'd recommend you watch. In case you don't want to check the post I'll repost the highlights.



The video - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/7990188.stm

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It is.

That said the entire incident takes place over about 20 seconds. Either you don't spontaneously pursue vehicles or you accept pursuits may start and will go on for a bit before either the cop or the local control room stands it down.

I have already said 94MPH and speeds approaching anywhere near 100MPH on that type of road is quite wrong as that video quite clearly shows, and the is actually pedestrian crossings and houses in that video at the point of impact.

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The point is really and I stand by it is that he was found guilty of killing someone and should be made to serve out the full term of his 3 year sentence without it being reduced for good behaviour and nor should he be let out on licence while serving his sentence even if it is only for Christmas and the sake of his children.

I feel absolutely no pity for this character or his family at Christmas and he should remain locked up for the remainder of his sentence.

Originally Posted by Moldova

It could have been anyone as it was a housing estate or residential area

thats part of the risk



A short burst of speed up to 94MPH was he in a drag race at Santa Pod or a residential area, no excuse works for his excessive speed.

no he was trying to catch a stolen car

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It was not on a dual carriageway or a motorway but in a residential area.

so criminals are allowed to get away crimes if it 's done in a built up area ?

Originally Posted by Moldova

The point is really and I stand by it is that he was found guilty of killing someone and should be made to serve out the full term of his 3 year sentence without it being reduced for good behaviour and nor should he be let out on licence while serving his sentence even if it is only for Christmas and the sake of his children.

Is this because you think the current way sentences are formulated and carried out is wrong, or because you don't understand how the system currently works?

No judge, anywhere in the UK, would expect a person of general good character to spend anywhere near his full term in jail. It just doesn't happen. Judges know this. When a judge passes a sentence of three years, he is totally aware that he is actually locking the man up for less than half of that time.

If you bring in a regime where everyone serves their full term, you will at a stroke cause judges to start passing more lenient sentences to take account of that.

Let me reiterate this, just to be absolutely crystal clear: the judge in this case knew there was a very good chance the police officer would be let out for Christmas leave this year and right now he knows this man is near certain to be let out altogether within a very few more months.

If the judge had intended the police officer not to be looking at release any time in the next few months, then he would have passed a far longer sentence.

I feel absolutely no pity for this character

You're perfectly entitled to feel that way.

or his family at Christmas

in which case, you sir, are a heartless fool. What, exactly, have this man's family done to deserve what has happened to them this year? It may be the unavoidable consequence of what the man has done, but that doesn't mean the rest of them deserve what they're getting. A little understanding would cost you nothing.

and he should remain locked up for the remainder of his sentence.

You really shouldn't bother wearing out your keyboard demanding something that cannot happen without some very fundamental changes to the way prison works in this country.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by martyh

so criminals are allowed to get away crimes if it 's done in a built up area ?

What crime gives him the right to accelerate like that in that kind of area with road crossings and houses and it was not even on a straight and level road.

Also that was not all within 1/4 of a mile as per your previous post.

Watch Dereks video link and you will see that she never stood a chance.

No Chris not a fool nor heartless as at least that would be some form of justice him serving his full sentence.

Originally Posted by Moldova

I have already said 94MPH and speeds approaching anywhere near 100MPH on that type of road is quite wrong as that video quite clearly shows, and the is actually pedestrian crossings and houses in that video at the point of impact.

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The point is really and I stand by it is that he was found guilty of killing someone and should be made to serve out the full term of his 3 year sentence without it being reduced for good behaviour and nor should he be let out on licence while serving his sentence even if it is only for Christmas and the sake of his children.

I feel absolutely no pity for this character or his family at Christmas and he should remain locked up for the remainder of his sentence.

then i feel sorry for you ,his family had nothing to with it and there life is wrecked .Sentiments like yours should be reserved for murderers,rapists,pheodophiles and such, not people who make a innocent mistake

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by martyh

then i feel sorry for you ,his family had nothing to with it and there life is wrecked .Sentiments like yours should be reserved for murderers,rapists,pheodophiles and such, not people who make a innocent mistake

I have nothing to feel sorry for, as it was him who killed someone and is being punished for it by being jailed.

Originally Posted by Moldova

No Chris not a fool nor heartless as at least that would be some form of justice.

Eh? Seriously, do you believe justice is served by intentionally ensuring a criminal's children suffer for their father's crime?

Originally Posted by Moldova

What crime gives him the right to accelerate like that in that kind of area with road crossings and houses and it was not even on a straight and level road.

Also that was not all within 1/4 of a mile as per your previous post.

Watch Dereks video link and you will see that she never stood a chance.

No Chris not a fool nor heartless as at least that would be some form of justice him serving his full sentence.

1/4 mile

probly should mention i live there

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Chris

Eh? Seriously, do you believe justice is served by intentionally ensuring a criminal's children suffer for their father's crime?

If he is in jail for a crime that he was convicted of why should he get out for Christmas, many other criminals will not get out at this time so why should it be different for him.

He will not serve the 3 years as he will get out for good behaviour probably before next Christmas so what is one missed Christmas.

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Originally Posted by martyh

1/4 mile

probly should mention i live there

Maybe in a straightish line when he accelerated before the impact but he travelled further than that before speeding up as he went down a few roads searching for the car before that fatal burst of speed.

That is clearly seen in the video.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Moldova

If he is in jail for a crime that he was convicted of why should he get out for Christmas, many other criminals will not get out at this time so why should it be different for him.

And many will get out so why should it be different to him.

He is NOT being given any preferential treatment.

Originally Posted by Moldova

If he is in jail for a crime that he was convicted of why should he get out for Christmas, many other criminals will not get out at this time so why should it be different for him.

He will not serve the 3 years as he will get out for good behaviour probably before next Christmas so what is one missed Christmas.

this is what we have been trying to explain ,it is perfectly normal for a criminal of any sort aproaching release to be allowed home leave in the last few months of their sentence ,in this case it is a coincidence not planned many other criminals will also be getting home leave at this time ,many of which i would agree with you don't deserve it

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Derek S

And many will get out so why should it be different to him.

He is NOT being given any preferential treatment.

I expect that he is not as you said earlier they like to clear out the prisons at Christmas.

I think I will leave this thread as we are just dancing around with many different opinions on this case and it will lead nowhere except into an ever decreasing circle.

Thank you Derek, Chris and Martyh for your input and opinions on this sad matter.

Have a good one guys.

Originally Posted by Moldova

If he is in jail for a crime that he was convicted of why should he get out for Christmas, many other criminals will not get out at this time so why should it be different for him.

Now, don't try wriggling off. I'm not talking about him, I'm talking about his family. After all, less than half an hour ago you said:

I feel absolutely no pity for this character or his family at Christmas

Feel no pity for him, by all means. But don't be so harsh on his kids. They didn't ask for this. They didn't do anything wrong. I don't say he should get special treatment because he has kids - but I do say his kids deserve some sympathy for what they've been put through.

He will not serve the 3 years as he will get out for good behaviour probably before next Christmas so what is one missed Christmas.

One missed Christmas is plenty bad enough. I know a family where two kids missed their dad over Christmas, a few years back, because he was stupid enough to video himself tearing down a dual carriageway on his motorbike at speeds well over 100mph. He deserved a good slap for it and he got one (4-6 weeks IIRC). But they didn't deserve it.

They suffered it, because it's inevitable part of him being locked up, but they didn't deserve it. And thankfully they were surrounded by friends and family who did not think the way you seem to. They had sympathy for the children's predicament and went into overdrive to try to ensure they had as fun a Christmas as they could without their dad being around.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Chris

Now, don't try wriggling off. I'm not talking about him, I'm talking about his family. After all, less than half an hour ago you said:



Feel no pity for him, by all means. But don't be so harsh on his kids. They didn't ask for this. They didn't do anything wrong. I don't say he should get special treatment because he has kids - but I do say his kids deserve some sympathy for what they've been put through.



One missed Christmas is plenty bad enough. I know a family where two kids missed their dad over Christmas, a few years back, because he was stupid enough to video himself tearing down a dual carriageway on his motorbike at speeds well over 100mph. He deserved a good slap for it and he got one (4-6 weeks IIRC). But they didn't deserve it.

They suffered it, because it's inevitable part of him being locked up, but they didn't deserve it. And thankfully they were surrounded by friends and family who did not think the way you seem to. They had sympathy for the children's predicament and went into overdrive to try to ensure they had as fun a Christmas as they could without their dad being around.

I am not wriggling out of it as one missed Christmas would bring home the enormity of what had happened on that night.

I also know that he is going to get his home break regardless of what is said here or even by her mother as that is the way things go in this system.

As I said in my post prior to this all we are doing is going around in circles which will lead us nowhere.

I feel anger over this case as it should never have happened in the first place, maybe if that car had been 2 up this may not have happenedb but we will never know.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by martyh

Moldova,police officers make on the spot judgement calls every day of the week at all times of the day if this incident had happened in the day time i doubt very much the officer would have driven like that ,the fact that it was almost midnight on a main road (not a housing estate as you say )he probably wouldn't expect to see a schoolgirl crossing the road so he made a descision and got it wrong ,it's a very easy thing to do ,you could do it ,i could do it, anyone could do it and that is not just limited to drivers ,scaffolders,electricians ,airplane mechanics most jobs involve some risk to peoples lives if not done 100%correct 100%of the time it does not mean that they should be hung ,drawn and quartered by people who think they are beyond fault

What has the fact that she was a schoolgirl and that it was at night have anything to do with her getting killed. How different would it have been, if she had been sober and thirty years old. This person was not pursuing someone who as refusing to stop, he didn't bother making his presence known, as is prescribed by the regulations he works under and he was driving too fast; faster than many officers knows not to go in the circumstances. This is why he is in jail. He had a total disregard for the safety of the public and this is what caused the death of a child.

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Originally Posted by Derek S

Sadly they dropped the 100% perfect hindsight requirement a few years back.

At the time of the incident the officer involved thought the vehicle was stolen.

So for a third time.

Do you think the police should pursue drivers of stolen vehicles who may fail to stop?

Originally Posted by martyh

but modova the drivers innocence could not be verified until he had been stopped because the computer was out of date and the officer didn't know that so the officer was pursuing a stolen car

The other car's driver was not evading the officer, so there was no need for a high speed pursuit.