Bring Back Fox Hunting

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well it's a pit of a poser for the animal lovers who so want to prevent cruelty to the poor old foxes..by shooting a defenceless animal that is only doing it's masters bidding...seems a tad hypocritical to me.However when I think of Hunt saboteurs of the past who attacked the horses used in the hunt one wonders what their motives really were..but if you are doing it because you hate 'toffs' remember this.The majority of people who are involved in foxhunting aren't toffs.

I never attacked a horse or coursed injury to a horse. I never purposely attacked a huntsman however they did attack me and i have defended myself against them, they have tried to run me over with there horses, Tried to run me over with there 4 x 4's.

I know that its not just toff's that attend these sporting events and it is plain to see for those have have attended these sporting events. Maggy have YOU attended one of these sporting events because if you had you would be sickened to the core by the barbarism of it all.

For those here who are defending fox hunting and have never seen the barbarism of the sport may i suggest you go and see instead of assuming about what happens from the news. That way you can make a better judgement because if more people were to see this sport for what it is they would not support it.

However when I think of Hunt saboteurs of the past who attacked the horses used in the hunt one wonders what their motives really were

My motive is to stop a fox from being chased until it is exhausted and then while a bunch of so called humans watch and cheer have it ripped to bits by a pack of dogs. I will never attack the horses that are used for the sport Is that clear enough for you ????

http://hsa.enviroweb.org/index.php/n...vicious-attack

http://www.crueltyexposed.co.uk/inde...ting&Itemid=50

http://www.crueltyexposed.co.uk/inde...lery&Itemid=62

[Peter_]

I wonder if the huntsmen would derive the same sick pleasure if they were the hunted and the dogs were allowed to rip them to pieces when caught.

If you have to get your jollies from watching such a spectacle as watching a fox being ripped to shreds then the has to be something wrong with your mental makeup, and nothing can excuse that.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Masque

I wonder if the huntsmen would derive the same sick pleasure if they were the hunted and the dogs were allowed to rip them to pieces when caught.

If you have to get your jollies from watching such a spectacle as watching a fox being ripped to shreds then the has to be something wrong with your mental makeup, and nothing can excuse that.

Indeed

[Angua]

If people pinned down their objections to hunting properly it is clear the law as worded missed the point entirely. What is abhorrent to most is the people on the horses. Dogs, ferrets and birds of prey doing what they would do naturally is not the real problem.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Angua

If people pinned down their objections to hunting properly it is clear the law as worded missed the point entirely. What is abhorrent to most is the people on the horses. Dogs, ferrets and birds of prey doing what they would do naturally is not the real problem.

The huntsman can at times be extremely violent

http://hsa.enviroweb.org/index.php/n...t-october-2009

The driver while attempting to regain access to his vehicle had the door slammed on his head and was then repeatedly punched in the face causing the severe facial cuts and bruising and a suspected broken nose. He was then threatened with a clasp knife and was told repeatedly that he would be stabbed. His female companion was knocked to the ground and attempts were made to steal her mobile phone.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Because that's how they do it.

Explain why a man with a cap dodges a bull and kills it slowly by inserting sharp items into its spine??????

I would say for the same reason as why thousands pay to watch it happen, for the same reasons why several people on horseback chase an exhausted fox to near death, just to watch it ripped apart.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

They're out for a day out on their horse. They're out for a ride. They all chase the fox because it gives them something to chase after. That's all.

What utter tosh. They do it for the blood lust and nothing more. If this was the case why did they need to a fox; why not drag hunting? They do it, because at the end of it, a terrified exhausted animal is mauled to death and they will be there to watch it.

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I believe that Fox hunting, being a Londoner is down to the individual, in the countryside, and l cannot see why it was banned in the first place, If l was farm owner and saw foxes killing my stock, it wouldn't need dog to kill it, l would shoot it myself.

I have worked in the lovelly countryside and seen what foxes do to cattle and other animals, and it is heartbreaking, l was in Ledbury, Glos once and came across protestor's against fox hunting, and they were a pain in the backside, but it should not be up to outsiders of the country side to decide what should happen, it is down to the people that live in this surroundings, and we should keep our noses out of it.

Why was it heartbreaking? Surely not at the thought of an animal dying.

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Originally Posted by Angua

Exactly! All the outrage about the fox hunting ban boils down to this. They have managed with clay pigeons, just need to find a similar version for horse riders who like a chase.

There has been an alternative for years, it's called drag hunting.

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well it's a pit of a poser for the animal lovers who so want to prevent cruelty to the poor old foxes..by shooting a defenceless animal that is only doing it's masters bidding...seems a tad hypocritical to me.However when I think of Hunt saboteurs of the past who attacked the horses used in the hunt one wonders what their motives really were..but if you are doing it because you hate 'toffs' remember this.The majority of people who are involved in foxhunting aren't toffs.

Of the many hunts I have attended with other hunt saboteurs, I have never witnessed any anti-hunt demonstrator harm a horse.

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Originally Posted by Derek S

This is done during deer hunting as well which involves a humane shooting rather than chasing down animals with dogs.

Are you against that as well?

Yes, it's all done very humanely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPFJq1spYbs

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Of the many hunts I have attended with other hunt saboteurs, I have never witnessed any anti-hunt demonstrator harm a horse.

And across the past 30+ years I have seen reports in the newspapers and on TV reports that horses have been attacked and distressed..Tho' of course papers can lie..


Are you saying you are a hunt saboteur?You have definitely gone even lower in my estimation than before.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Are you saying you are a hunt saboteur?You have definitely gone even lower in my estimation than before.

I have been in the past so you better add me to that as well . I stand by what i have done and would do it again given half the chance. If you think hunting is good then you have dropped in my estimation.

Originally Posted by Sirius

I have been in the past so you better add me to that as well . I stand by what i have done and would do it again given half the chance. If you think hunting is good then you have dropped in my estimation.

I never said it was and I suggest you pull your neck in...

What I dislike is the attitude that culling all wildlife is wrong and the violence acquainted with the hunt saboteurs.It's completely unnecessary.

All the emotive crap that comes out over fox hunting hides the facts that foxes can outbreed and outgrow their food supply in an area.When that happens then foxes will become unhealthy as a group and control is needed.They are NOT a fluffy cuddly animal.They are a predator at the top of their particular food chain.I also am absolutely positive that a good half of the anti hunt group are just wanting to spoil some toffs weekend fun rather than being on the foxes side..

I personally think fox hunting is NOT the best way but so far no one on either side of the divide has actually come up with a workable idea to control fox numbers.

Perhaps it's time for both sides to stop placard waving and actually think logically and scientifically about the situation? or is it just easier to fall back into the same old patterns?

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

And across the past 30+ years I have seen reports in the newspapers and on TV reports that horses have been attacked and distressed..Tho' of course papers can lie..


Are you saying you are a hunt saboteur?You have definitely gone even lower in my estimation than before.

I have been in the past, but I no longer have the time to spend on the front lines. I am a little aggrieved that you feel the way you do and do not consider your assessment of me to be every fair. At least I was prepared to stand up and be counted on behalf of something that cannot do so for themselves. Why do you view me in such a light, because I was opposing the abject cruelty of an animal who was never in a position to be able to do it for themselves?

Originally Posted by Flyboy

I have been in the past, but I no longer have the time to spend on the front lines. I am a little aggrieved that you feel the way you do and do not consider your assessment of me to be every fair. At least I was prepared to stand up and be counted on behalf of something that cannot do so for themselves. Why do you view me in such a light, because I was opposing the abject cruelty of an animal who was never in a position to be able to do it for themselves?

So what are YOUR suggestions for controlling fox numbers?

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

So what are YOUR suggestions for controlling fox numbers?

Not that my answer should make a lot of difference, but it is accepted by many that the fox population is by and large self-controlling. In fact, there are many areas of the country where hunts were having to nurture the fox population, because there were not enough of them to hunt. One particular hunt, a few years ago, over did their cub-hunting to a point where they had actually run out of foxes for three years and had to import them from another part of the country.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

I never said it was and I suggest you pull your neck in...

simple answer NO

Originally Posted by Maggy J

I also am absolutely positive that a good half of the anti hunt group are just wanting to spoil some toffs weekend fun rather than being on the foxes side..

Anyone that has actually attended a hunt instead of reading about it on the web or in a book will know that its not all toffs as you put it that attend and take part.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Perhaps it's time for both sides to stop placard waving and actually think logically and scientifically about the situation? or is it just easier to fall back into the same old patterns?

Its been tried but the hunts will not under any circumstance consider any proposal that does not include there right to watching a animal get ripped to shreds for sport. Drag hunting they say is not sport. They will not consider any alternative that does not included some form of blood letting.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Anyone that has actually attended a hunt instead of reading about it on the web or in a book will know that its not all toffs as you put it that attend and take part.

How many with anti-hunt views have actually attended hunts though Sirius?
Very few I would imagine, and you have to agree with Margret that many of them just view it as something toffs do and are really only interested in spoiling the fun of said percieved toffs?
We've seen that by many of the posts in this very thread.
You can split the anti-hunt people into those who don't care who they stop hunting as long as they're stopped, and those who only want to stop hunting because they percieve it as tory toffs enjoying it.

[Flyboy]

What evidence have you to support your theory that their ONLY motivation is class led?