"Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"

[Osem]

Now there's a surprise.....

Labour fiddling the figures and misleading the public no never not this whiter then white bunch we elected these bastions of truth and honesty.

[Osem]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8560720.stm

A survey of forces by the Inspectorate found that in 23% of incidents of anti-social behaviour officers did not turn up.

More than a decade later, this will be all that "zero tolerance" in action then...

A number of anti-crime measures will be used to reduce lawlessness, including policing in which the authorities take action against any offence, however small,....

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/8561513.stm

A 64-year-old man with learning difficulties has collapsed and died outside his home in Greater Manchester after years of abuse from youths.

[Mick Fisher]

Lives are indeed cheaper than being "Tough On Crime".

Lives are indeed cheaper than giving the troops proper equipment.

Nothing ever changes.

[punky]

The difference with this case than others recently is the police can't be accused of doing nothing.

Ch Supt Hamilton said police officers had tried a range of tactics, including covertly placing officers inside the house in readiness for an incident.

But the offenders never struck when police were there.

They are also the ones that installed the CCTV cameras.

There's no point having thre resources and speeding them if there is no way to secure a conviction. The system should be changed in such a way that anti-social behavior can be successfully tackled/prosecuted.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by punky

The system should be changed in such a way that anti-social behavior can be successfully tackled/prosecuted.

From what I've read of the case plenty of the troublemakers had been prosecuted a number of times and a number of them had ASBO's handed out.

Of course as anyone with half a brain knows ASBO's are pretty much useless and are seen as a bit of joke by the feral yobs inhabiting certain chunks of the UK just now.

If you can walk away from a £2mil fraud, arson, glassing someone in a pubfight or battering your girlfriend then smashing her phone and driving whilst disqualified with a suspended sentence what is really going to be done for chucking some eggs at a window?

Any defence lawyer will be able to talk away pretty much anything as a one-off and a light tap on the wrist will probably be all they'll get.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by punky

The difference with this case than others recently is the police can't be accused of doing nothing.

It wasn't the police doing nothing that was the problem here - it was the failure of all the relevant authorities (for whatever reason) to do something effective about the sort of longstanding antisocial behaviour that this poor man was subjected to and that there's supposed to be a zero tolerance of.

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There's been an arrest:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/8563454.stm

[Mick Fisher]

Originally Posted by Osem

There's been an arrest:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/8563454.stm

I expect someone, somewhere, will learn even more lessons from this.

It's a crying shame that all this lesson learning that we hear so much about is, seemingly, never put into practice.

Originally Posted by Mick Fisher

I expect someone, somewhere, will learn even more lessons from this.

It's a crying shame that all this lesson learning that we hear so much about is, seemingly, never put into practice.

No lessons will be learned until the people in positions of responsibility in public offices that fail the public, get put to the sword for their failings.... We do seem to be living in a no win, no fee society. People want the position and the pay, but not the responsibility for their, and their employees failings....

[Gary L]

I think in cases like this the council should play a bigger part in it. if the offenders are council tenants they should have their tenancy put at risk.
not just a threat but a real risk that doesn't have to drag on through the courts to decide whether it will upset the tenants too much in losing their home.

[TheDaddy]

Unbelievable, rob some ones house and you'd get less of a punishment, well perhaps not but to lose your job, be fined a £150 and get a criminal record over biscuit theft beggers belief, good to see we have a shortage of real criminals these days if the court has enough time spare to deal with the likes of this


http://ibnlive.in.com/news/briton-sa...9.html?from=tn

[Derek]

I've merged this into the existing tough on crime thread.

Yep pretty unbelievable it ever got this far but you'll see more and more of these cases with the crime recording standards and the CPS having to hit targets they'll prosecute easy cases which should have been binned.

[Ravenheart]

Originally Posted by Gary L

I think in cases like this the council should play a bigger part in it. if the offenders are council tenants they should have their tenancy put at risk.
not just a threat but a real risk that doesn't have to drag on through the courts to decide whether it will upset the tenants too much in losing their home.

Unfortunately Gary councils were given a lot of powers to deal with anti social behaviour, but from the news reports and my own experience on the whole they seem useless, despite the tenancy conditions they could use to evict these people they seem to pussy foot around, and come up with excuse after excuse.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Derek S

I've merged this into the existing tough on crime thread.

Yep pretty unbelievable it ever got this far but you'll see more and more of these cases with the crime recording standards and the CPS having to hit targets they'll prosecute easy cases which should have been binned.

It is entirely possible that there are other factors here to consider. Perhaps there was a history of things going missing, when this person was on duty? There may have been a history of interpersonal issues with this employee that culminated in the theft.

If any of my employees did such a thing, I would have issued a warning, but if it persisted, I may have been forced to take the same steps this company did. There was a similar incident a couple of years ago, where a female employee was harassing another employee. There was nothing that I could specifically discipline the person on, because the victim would not make a complaint, so I did my best to reduce the impact on her as much as I could. In the end I was able to dismiss her her for criminal damage of the others property. Fortunately she was witnessed by another colleague and this person spoke up. I offered the victim our full support if she wanted to take the matter further, i.e. involve the police, but despite my encouragement for her to do so, she felt the matter had now come to a conclusion and was happy to have no more issues with the now former colleague.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Derek S

I've merged this into the existing tough on crime thread.

Yep pretty unbelievable it ever got this far but you'll see more and more of these cases with the crime recording standards and the CPS having to hit targets they'll prosecute easy cases which should have been binned.

Cheers Derek I knew I had seen this thread before and even checked for it to no avail.

With regard to the rest of your post, as long as crime is falling eh

It isn't and we aren't fooled by the crap our glorious leaders are peddeling

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

It is entirely possible that there are other factors here to consider. Perhaps there was a history of things going missing, when this person was on duty? There may have been a history of interpersonal issues with this employee that culminated in the theft.

And then again perhaps there wasn't

Chairman of the bench, Lesley Pyrah, told him: “What you did was a breach of trust and there is no excuse for a breach of trust.�

Pamela Harrison said in a statement that taking biscuits from her desk on December 9 had invaded her privacy.

No mention of previous things going missing

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...agues-biscuits