Madeleine McCann

assertive aggression that is seen in perception ive seen your stance as aggressive and I admit it can be wrong because its in type. But that knife cuts both ways and how my views are perceived by others in there was and just as i can get you wrong you can get me wrong also.I strongly feel if I had posted as strongly as you have using the terminology you have I would have been warned now or moderated at the very least and told to calm down. It does not matter if its meant aggressively it matters how it perceived. Who moderates you Mike?
I am really upset by whats happened to maddy but ive tried to get a point across that could stop it happening again ive explained it quite clearly but my opinions and views have just been totally dismissed by you which is just a shame. Ive not said anything about punishing the parents . I have said they should have not left them alone and I stand by that.

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

assertive aggression

Sorry, but if you understand the concept between being, assertive, passive and aggressive, it should be known that you can only be one and not both. I have been assertive in this thread. I am standing up for my views, whilst allowing others to voice their views.

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

I strongly feel if I had posted as strongly as you have using the terminology you have I would have been warned now or moderated at the very least and told to calm down.

No you wouldn't because none of my posts breaks the T+C. Yes I have been quite vocal, but that isn't against the rules. I think you have been just as vocal from the outset in this thread, you haven't been warned at all now have you?

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

It does not matter if its meant aggressively it matters how it perceived. Who moderates you Mike?

Don't mean to picky but I'm noticing you keep calling me Mike, It's Mick btw. Again, I ain't been aggressive, I have been assertive and stayed within the confines of this sites terms of use that absolutely still apply to me, even though I even wrote some of them myself.

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

I am really upset by whats happened to maddy but ive tried to get a point across that could stop it happening again

You're not going to do that posting on an internet discussion forum. Never and you would be foolishly naive to think otherwise.

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

ive explained it quite clearly but my opinions and views have just been totally dismissed by you

I haven't dismissed your views, I simply don't agree that it is right to be so judgemental at this current stage of Maddie's abduction and I have quite clearly justified why I don't agree with you and others who post the same view. If I was dismissing such views, I wouldn't offer you a reason for doing so, I'd just simply say 'Wrong' and not offer any explanation.

I'm going to back away from this thread for a while because whilst I have been quite vocal - I do agree that others need to express their views, so I'll unsubscribe for now.

I think part of the problem is that some are being put out that I can be quite vocal, for a team member, this is who I am and I am not always as active as I have been these last few weeks and if people remember me from the early nthw days (2001 onwards), I was just the same then and I wasn't on the team then and I didn't have the same issues like I am having now. When I am deep in debate, some people need to ignore my avatar, I am speaking as a person, not an admin. If I was speaking as an admin, I wouldn't be participating in the thread.

Peace.

[c_r]

Originally Posted by Mick

"Doh!" What? If you are going to add a response make sure its of meaningful value for a response.

D'oh as in your comment on my link to the deaths of 25000 children per day, mainly from hunger, thirst and disease, was "deaths due to accident or natural causes cannot be prevented".

It's amazing how you can be so compassionate about one girl who's in the media and yet so dismissive of the rest.

[alferret]

I am a father to 5, I also have 2 step children. As a parent I am saddened that some people who want to come across as caring actually come across as not giving a sh**.

We should all feel for the parents of Maddy. God only knows what they are going through, and we cant forget all the other unfortunate kids who have gone missing. But there is a difference, Maddy has been abducted, some sicko has taken a 4yr old. Of the many hundreds of children that have gone missing since this happened a very small minority, if none have been abducted. Many of those have been p!$$ed at parents, going through hormonal changes, depression and have decided to take leave of their situation and sod off. (I know I have been in a simular situation and took a walk)

As stated in other posts we all know what the outcome is going to be, of that it a certainty. But the vast majority of the other missing kids will eventually turn up, maybe a bit better off for what they went through maybe not.
I understood this thread to be about Maddy not those other unfortunate ones. Having a pop or arguing over issues that are not relevant isnt helping anyone.

15 days

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[c_r]

Originally Posted by alferret

I am a father to 5, I also have 2 step children. As a parent I am saddened that some people who want to come across as caring actually come across as not giving a sh**.

We should all feel for the parents of Maddy. God only knows what they are going through, and we cant forget all the other unfortunate kids who have gone missing. But there is a difference, Maddy has been abducted, some sicko has taken a 4yr old. Of the many hundreds of children that have gone missing since this happened a very small minority, if none have been abducted. Many of those have been p!$$ed at parents, going through hormonal changes, depression and have decided to take leave of their situation and sod off. (I know I have been in a simular situation and took a walk)

As stated in other posts we all know what the outcome is going to be, of that it a certainty. But the vast majority of the other missing kids will eventually turn up, maybe a bit better off for what they went through maybe not.
I understood this thread to be about Maddy not those other unfortunate ones. Having a pop or arguing over issues that are not relevant isnt helping anyone.

15 days

I don't think that any decent person would not be wishing for the safe return of this child, although unfortunately that's looking more improbable the longer it goes on.

However why is it that mentioning the fact that the parents were disgracefully negligent to go out for a meal and leave such young children alone, or pointing out that the newspaper's sickening competition to show as much grief (sell as many papers) as possible is a bit hypocritical seeing as how they ignore much worse things (check out my link to the 25000 who die each day from hunger, unbelievably dismissed by Mick as "deaths due to accident or natural causes cannot be prevented") seems to cause some people to start foaming at the mouth with rage? These are relevant issues to the case and my mentioning them doesn't mean I care any less about the child's well-being than anyone else, it's just that I haven't been sucked in to the media frenzy.

[skyblueheroes]

I think we're all hoping and praying that she is found alive.

I can't help thinking of the Farepack thread as an analogy of the hype one case can create. The media jumped all over it and there were hugh offers of support and donations for the people who lost money. But millions of people are scammed in the country/world every day with no such high profile offer of help.

However, if it was my kid, no stone would be left unturned and no offer would be turned down.

Originally Posted by c_r

I don't think that any decent person would not be wishing for the safe return of this child, although unfortunately that's looking more improbable the longer it goes on.

However why is it that mentioning the fact that the parents were disgracefully negligent to go out for a meal and leave such young children alone, or pointing out that the newspaper's sickening competition to show as much grief (sell as many papers) as possible is a bit hypocritical seeing as how they ignore much worse things (check out my link to the 25000 who die each day from hunger, unbelievably dismissed by Mick as "deaths due to accident or natural causes cannot be prevented") seems to cause some people to start foaming at the mouth with rage? These are relevant issues to the case and my mentioning them doesn't mean I care any less about the child's well-being than anyone else, it's just that I haven't been sucked in to the media frenzy.

because, until it can be proved that such discussion will help us find this little girl, it is irrelevant to achieving that aim, we should be supporting those looking for answers, not 'looking back in anger', in my opinion ...

[c_r]

Originally Posted by homealone

because, until it can be proved that such discussion will help us find this little girl, it is irrelevant to achieving that aim, we should be supporting those looking for answers, not 'looking back in anger', in my opinion ...

Well admittedly discussing it is not going to help find her, but neither are most of the things which are going on - how about the raising of the reward money from £1 million to £2.5 million - I mean, as if someone is going to have information but be holding out for the extra million and a half. I'm afraid it just an exercise, well intentioned by most people I'm sure, in showing how much grief people can display.

[alferret]

Originally Posted by c_r

Well admittedly discussing it is not going to help find her, but neither are most of the things which are going on - how about the raising of the reward money from £1 million to £2.5 million - I mean, as if someone is going to have information but be holding out for the extra million and a half. I'm afraid it just an exercise, well intentioned by most people I'm sure, in showing how much grief people can display.

Im just wondering if you got kids c_r?

I mean what would your stance\position be if it were a child of yours? Or maybe a relative of yours, 4 yrs old, abducted, subjected to christ knows what. Would you still sit there on your computer berating those that would be saying the same things or would you cross over to the other side of the fence?

Originally Posted by c_r

Well admittedly discussing it is not going to help find her, but neither are most of the things which are going on - how about the raising of the reward money from £1 million to £2.5 million - I mean, as if someone is going to have information but be holding out for the extra million and a half. I'm afraid it just an exercise, well intentioned by most people I'm sure, in showing how much grief people can display.

If one of those increased rewards had resulted in her being found, would you have been so dismissive?

Please can we stop arguing amongst ourselves, & focus on the main topic that we need to find where this child is and get her returned to her parents.

[Mr Angry]

I'm pretty confident that she will not be found as a direct result of someone gazing at the black and white photocopied poster attached, by blu-tack no less, to the central pillar of the middle exit door of the Tesco Metro in Belfast's Royal Avenue - but that's just the cynic in me.

[Tinky]

A minute for Madeleine

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstor...name_page.html

[iglu]

This?

Originally Posted by Tinky

A minute for Madeleine

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstor...name_page.html

this has to be the biggest ever suck in from a spam email in history

[iglu]

This was an email send by the fund:

"The fund had to be set up as a limited company as it was denied charity status due to it not being viewed as being for "the greater good of all"

Independent on Sunday

They "might divert" some of the money from the fighting fund to detection process.

Why don't I like the sound of the above?