*ALL* ntl Cap Discussion Here Please.

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by monkeybreath

you could... except no-one else will be able to use the modem anyway

beat me to it

[daxx]

Originally Posted by tizer2000uk

The UKONLINE 8mb offer is releasing in my area (Guildford) in March and many other exchanges are being unbundled at the same time.

Wow a whole seven in total

compared to NTL's franchise wide roll-out of three complete new teirs and guess what, it's not dependent on how close you live to the exchange and is therefore available to all subs who take up the new levels.

I'm really envious (NOT) of the (sic) 8x faster than NTL's paltry offering

if they had any sense they would just try and get people to download big files over night. what difference would it make it people just setup their connections to download their american sitcom torrents over night...

[Hans Gruber]

Originally Posted by daxx

compared to NTL's franchise wide roll-out of three complete new teirs and guess what, it's not dependent on how close you live to the exchange and is therefore available to all subs who take up the new levels.

That's all very well, assuming you live in a cabled area. And it took NTL a couple of years to roll out cable modems to all franchises, so UKonline aren't doing too badly by those standards.

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by bontrager

if they had any sense they would just try and get people to download big files over night. what difference would it make it people just setup their connections to download their american sitcom torrents over night...

Ah, but then you would have to triple the speed again so that the 24/7 downloaders could still get the same volume of downloads done in that overnight period. But wait, if you did this they would grumble that they could only use their connection at full speed for a third of the time.

[Hans Gruber]

Originally Posted by ianathuth

Ah, but then you would have to triple the speed again so that the 24/7 downloaders could still get the same volume of downloads done in that overnight period. But wait, if you did this they would grumble that they could only use their connection at full speed for a third of the time.

Everyone has a different use for the internet, just because people complain about something it doesn't mean the same people would complain about something else. I'm sure even an ISP's ideal customer (such as yourself) would grumble at certain changes that could be made.

Some people need a fast comfortable car for long distances, others just need something to get them to the shops once a week. Everyone is different, ISPs need to cater for all users.

[cookie_365]

Originally Posted by Hans Gruber

Everyone is different, ISPs need to cater for all users.

No they don't. They have to cater for the particular users that'll bring them profits.

[Hans Gruber]

Originally Posted by cookie_365

No they don't. They have to cater for the particular users that'll bring them profits.

Most other companies have realised this is not true (Banks, Telcos, etc.). It's about time NTL did.

[etccarmageddon]

Originally Posted by cookie_365

No they don't. They have to cater for the particular users that'll bring them profits.

correct NTL exists to make a profit not to cater for every possible kind of user.

[daxx]

Originally Posted by Hans Gruber

That's all very well, assuming you live in a cabled area. And it took NTL a couple of years to roll out cable modems to all franchises, so UKonline aren't doing too badly by those standards.

what a laugh

I don't see UKOnline engineers working to install 'new' anything they are just utilising the existing 'last mile' that was put in place by the taxpayer, not obtaining wayleave and then going around digging up the roads and laying ducting, installing cabs, running fibre (and all that it entails) and then handing over to the tech heads for testing and then running coax to the subs from the distribution nodes.

Last time I saw BT do anything to the infrastructure in this area it was to replace 'wooden' telegraph poles that appeared perfectly sound but were probably subject to some arcane BT health and safety legislation as being unable to support the weight of their trained chimps (who happen to use 'cherry pickers' when doing any overhead cabling). Total waste of £ÃÆ ’‚£Ãà¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚£.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by daxx

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Last time I saw BT do anything to the infrastructure in this area it was to replace 'wooden' telegraph poles with ones that appeared perfectly sound but were probably subject to some arcane BT health and safety legislation as being unable to support the weight of their trained chimps (who happen to use 'cherry pickers' when doing any overhead cabling). Total waste of £ÃÆ ’‚£Ãà¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚£.

You are lucky. They haven't even done that much in my local area. In fact, I cannot recall the last time I saw BT doing any work in our area. And I live 100m from my local exchange!

[Hans Gruber]

Originally Posted by daxx

what a laugh

I don't see UKOnline engineers working to install 'new' anything they are just utilising the existing 'last mile' that was put in place by the taxpayer, not obtaining wayleave and then going around digging up the roads and laying ducting, installing cabs, running fibre (and all that it entails) and then handing over to the tech heads for testing and then running coax to the subs from the distribution nodes.

Last time I saw BT do anything to the infrastructure in this area it was to replace 'wooden' telegraph poles that appeared perfectly sound but were probably subject to some arcane BT health and safety legislation as being unable to support the weight of their trained chimps (who happen to use 'cherry pickers' when doing any overhead cabling). Total waste of £ÃÆ ’‚£Ãà¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚£.

Eh? This 8mbit has been round for about a month now. It's being installed in more exchanges. Would you like Easynet to go round digging up driveways just to make it look like they're doing something?

I'm unsure what your point is.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Hans Gruber

Eh? This 8mbit has been round for about a month now. It's being installed in more exchanges. Would you like Easynet to go round digging up driveways just to make it look like they're doing something?

I'm unsure what your point is.

I think his point was that it is currently being installed in only seven exchanges. You pointed out that it took NTL years to install cable modems, which, in fairness to NTL is a far larger job. You are comparing this job against the installation of hardware in a few exchanges.

Maybe it's fairer to compare UKOnline to NTL's recent speed upgrades, the bulk of which (ie most of the country, not just a few exchanges) were done 6 months after NTL announced they were starting them.

[Hans Gruber]

Well let's give them 6 months to see what they can do then

I'm not sure what the hostility towards them is, they're offering a service twice the speed of any other residential service at what seems a reasonable price. OK not many people can get it yet, but it's new and certainly a step in the right direction. Whether the dislike is down to them being able to offer a service with a rather healthy cap I don't know. One thing I do know is if it was available in my area I'd sign up no hesitation.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Hans Gruber

Most other companies have realised this is not true (Banks, Telcos, etc.). It's about time NTL did.

Erm. Wrong. No company is in business for the service of the customer. Ultimately they are in business to make profit.

They like you to *think* they are in business to serve you. You watch the special offers they give you (to persuade you to join) dry up when they have you in a contract.
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Originally Posted by Hans Gruber

Well let's give them 6 months to see what they can do then

I'm not sure what the hostility towards them is, they're offering a service twice the speed of any other residential service at what seems a reasonable price. OK not many people can get it yet, but it's new and certainly a step in the right direction. Whether the dislike is down to them being able to offer a service with a rather healthy cap I don't know. One thing I do know is if it was available in my area I'd sign up no hesitation.

I am not hostile to them at all. If they can provide what they promise, then all well and good. I personally think the more competition in the market, the better it is for the consumer (not necessarily for the economy, but that's another thread).

I have to admit, I have a 1.5 (soon to be 3 I hope) Meg NTL BB connection which I am happy with, but if another supplier comes along who can beat that, I'll go to them. Sadly, despite my proximity to my local exchange, I can get at most 2 Meg at the moment.