Brexit (Old)

[jfman]

MI can’t dispute that the benefit system gets played by people feigning disability. However from observation in my experience it’s mainly lazy people born here. It used to be bad backs now it’s mental health issues. Everyone has their ups and downs, however now it’s chronic depression.

My experience of migrants is they are here to work and contribute doing jobs the benefit claimants would refuse to do as “not worthwhile”.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by jfman

MI can’t dispute that the benefit system gets played by people feigning disability. However from observation in my experience it’s mainly lazy people born here. It used to be bad backs now it’s mental health issues. Everyone has their ups and downs, however now it’s chronic depression.

My experience of migrants is they are here to work and contribute doing jobs the benefit claimants would refuse to do as “not worthwhile”.

Of course there are some that milk the system but one thing we should not do is pigeon hole that most disabled claimants are scroungers who feign their illnesses and conditions because that is simply not true.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by denphone

Of course there are some that milk the system but one thing we should not do is pigeon hole that most disabled claimants are scroungers who feigns their illnesses and conditions because that is simply not true.

I’m sure it isn’t most, however there are pitfalls applying the observation of one person or one local community onto an entire population. I’m just offering another example of that. Who knows, maybe they will be next once it’s realised that poverty in this country has nothing to do with immigration.

[Mr K]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...deal-great-eu/

. Donald Trump slams Theresa May's Brexit deal as 'great for the EU' but warns it will harm UK-US trade

Oh dear, Donald isn't helping is he ! Probably had a nudge from his buddy Farage.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mr K

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...deal-great-eu/

Oh dear, Donald isn't helping is he ! Probably had a nudge from his buddy Farage.

Or Putin.

Remember that it's only true we can't do a trade deal if the backstop comes into effect, we don't know the full details of the 'future arrangement' yet, it's congress not the President who largely deals with it and they're all going to be obsessed with 2020 now anyway.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

Or Putin.

Putin may not be the source of the illicit £8m Leave.EU funding but it would have been a good investment to distract eyes away from the aggressive actions in Ukraine that are further down the news agenda due to Brexit.

[Sephiroth]

Brexit is more important.

Originally Posted by jfman

MI can’t dispute that the benefit system gets played by people feigning disability. However from observation in my experience it’s mainly lazy people born here. It used to be bad backs now it’s mental health issues. Everyone has their ups and downs, however now it’s chronic depression.

My experience of migrants is they are here to work and contribute doing jobs the benefit claimants would refuse to do as “not worthwhile”.

Perhaps you should tell that to the mass of Eastern European’s who’ve flooded our town, mainly Romanians, who of many don’t actually work, they fight each other constantly, don’t speak a word of English, so have no desire to intergrate with the community, they’re antisocial, they’re messy, throw babies shitty nappies out the windows, ignore refuse policies and just throw their crap in the alleyway.

Muggings went up tenfold in the area, all the mugging victims claiming the muggers appeared Romanian.

Our Asian and Pakistani community absolutely detests them. Three or four Asian men got out of their car to help a white English lad, who was in the process of being mugged by a two Romanian men, in broad daylight.

I have no issues with people coming to the U.K., who contribute to society, but I feel we’ve not attracted the best or brightest of migrants, whose sole intention is to ride the benefit gravy train and rob and steal from the community.

Originally Posted by Mr K

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...deal-great-eu/

Oh dear, Donald isn't helping is he ! Probably had a nudge from his buddy Farage.

Liking the ventriloquist dummy image.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Mick

Perhaps you should tell that to the mass of Eastern European’s who’ve flooded our town, mainly Romanians, who of many don’t actually work, they fight each other constantly, don’t speak a word of English, so have no desire to intergrate with the community, they’re antisocial, they’re messy, throw babies shitty nappies out the windows, ignore refuse policies and just throw their crap in the alleyway.

Muggings went up tenfold in the area, all the mugging victims claiming the muggers appeared Romanian.

Our Asian and Pakistani community absolutely detests them. Three or four Asian men got out of their car to help a white English lad, who was in the process of being mugged by a two Romanian men, in broad daylight.

I have no issues with people coming to the U.K., who contribute to society, but I feel we’ve not attracted the best or brightest of migrants, whose sole intention is to ride the benefit gravy train and rob and steal from the community.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Does anyone know when free movement of labour ends under Mays plan? I suppose it will still be in effect for a time due to the transitional arrangements.

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Originally Posted by denphone

Of course there are some that milk the system but one thing we should not do is pigeon hole that most disabled claimants are scroungers who feign their illnesses and conditions because that is simply not true.

Indeed; the number of people feigning disability is tiny.

I've heard the likes of this from people over the years who then found themselves or a loved one in a state of disability- funnily enough their attitude changed overnight.

I think the point being made was that it was inappropriate to have a view that is based on a small sample (whether it be disability or migrants), as anecdote is not the singular form of data...

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by jfman

MI can’t dispute that the benefit system gets played by people feigning disability. However from observation in my experience it’s mainly lazy people born here. It used to be bad backs now it’s mental health issues. Everyone has their ups and downs, however now it’s chronic depression.

My experience of migrants is they are here to work and contribute doing jobs the benefit claimants would refuse to do as “not worthwhile”.

You really don't have a clue what you're talking about, or are you just randomly bringing up the subject of disability to troll the disabled people in this thread?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

You really don't have a clue what you're talking about, or are you just randomly bringing up the subject of disability to troll the disabled people in this thread?

Far from it. However I’m not pretending that the small number of people I am aware is representative of the population as a whole. That’d be discriminatory to do so.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Mick

Perhaps you should tell that to the mass of Eastern European’s who’ve flooded our town, mainly Romanians, who of many don’t actually work, they fight each other constantly, don’t speak a word of English, so have no desire to intergrate with the community, they’re antisocial, they’re messy, throw babies shitty nappies out the windows, ignore refuse policies and just throw their crap in the alleyway.

Muggings went up tenfold in the area, all the mugging victims claiming the muggers appeared Romanian.

Our Asian and Pakistani community absolutely detests them. Three or four Asian men got out of their car to help a white English lad, who was in the process of being mugged by a two Romanian men, in broad daylight.

I have no issues with people coming to the U.K., who contribute to society, but I feel we’ve not attracted the best or brightest of migrants, whose sole intention is to ride the benefit gravy train and rob and steal from the community.

wouldn't it be better if the uk inacted the 3 month rules they declined to use so far