[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[techguyone]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

MPs submit Corbyn no confidence motion

Looks like your wish may be granted.

To be honest, this is a great time for Labour to get shot off, and elect a new leader, at this stage of the game, with huge numbers of people fed up with austerity, cuts, and general negativity, people should be flocking to Labour's side, but whilst he remains as Leader, they are unelectable.
Seeing as we're now in a period of great change and upheaval, they may as well do it now whilst it'll be lost in the general melee.
If they pick right, they*may*stand a fair chance at the next GE.

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Originally Posted by pip08456

She worded it very clearly and precisely she wants a 2nd referendum on Scottish Independence.

Scotland voted remain so I can see her point. The problem is, will the EU still exist when it happens and what is Scotland going to do then?

Give them what they want, we all know it's going to neverendum forever otherwise, the next one is #indyref2 apparently.

Shame they didn't get it right last time, it would have stopped a whole bitchfest.

Originally Posted by techguyone

To be honest, this is a great time for Labour to get shot off, and elect a new leader, at this stage of the game, with huge numbers of people fed up with austerity, cuts, and general negativity, people should be flocking to Labour's side, but whilst he remains as Leader, they are unelectable.
Seeing as we're now in a period of great change and upheaval, they may as well do it now whilst it'll be lost in the general melee.
If they pick right, they*may*stand a fair chance at the next GE.

Return of Milliband ?

the one that doesn't have a funny face when eating

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Totally agree.

There was a majority vote to leave - let's work together to make it work.

This hinges on how concilliatory the Leave side are in their Brexit process.

One area of doubt, for example, is how the current EU funding will be replaced for the Arts, etc.. Campaign promises are one thing. It will need concrete and visible legislation proposals to allay the Remainers' doubts.

[techguyone]

I don't know, he's been out of the game for a while, shame he wasn't picked first time really.

Both large parties seem to have lost their way or their original founding principles, it's a really weird time for politics of late.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by techguyone

To be honest, this is a great time for Labour to get shot off, and elect a new leader, at this stage of the game, with huge numbers of people fed up with austerity, cuts, and general negativity, people should be flocking to Labour's side, but whilst he remains as Leader, they are unelectable.
Seeing as we're now in a period of great change and upheaval, they may as well do it now whilst it'll be lost in the general melee.
If they pick right, they*may*stand a fair chance at the next GE.

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Give them what they want, we all know it's going to neverendum forever otherwise, the next one is #indyref2 apparently.

Shame they didn't get it right last time, it would have stopped a whole bitchfest.

On Scotland I agree. I am surprised how Wales voted though as they do very well out of the EU. London is no surprise or Ken.

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Originally Posted by martyh

Return of Milliband ?

the one that doesn't have a funny face when eating

Another Davie? Yea I think he'll have another go if there is a challenge to Corbyn. Never thought he was right anyway.

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Originally Posted by ianch99

This hinges on how concilliatory the Leave side are in their Brexit process.

One area of doubt, for example, is how the current EU funding will be replaced for the Arts, etc.. Campaign promises are one thing. It will need concrete and visible legislation proposals to allay the Remainers' doubts.

I don't recall Leave making any promises on the Arts. However if we are to become a great power again they too will have to be funded as with Science. I can't see any reason why they won't get what they get back from the EU.

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Originally Posted by techguyone

I don't know, he's been out of the game for a while, shame he wasn't picked first time really.

Both large parties seem to have lost their way or their original founding principles, it's a really weird time for politics of late.

That all started when Labour became New Labour and the Lib-Dems were formed. Seems to have gone downhill since then.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by ntluser

Agreed. There are plenty of opportunities here to respect the vote of both sides.

If the EU had given David Cameron a real deal that addressed the needs of the UK people more people would have voted to remain.

Even Donald Tusk admits that the EU meddles too much so it's time for the EU to reflect and step back.

We don't want a European Superstate. We don't want uncontrolled immigration. We don't want European courts overriding UK courts. We don't want the massive costs paid to maintain the EU infrastructure.

All these things can be changed by the EU and could persuade the new PM to hold back from implementing Article 50, keeping the UK within the EU and keeping the UK in one piece.

However, it may well be that the other EU countries will only see sense when voters in their countries start voting to leave the EU.

That's undeniably true. They didn't want to give us more concessions because they feared a domino effect and they feared that because they know an increasing number of people in the EU, even in Germany and France, don't want their vision of it. They're so single-mindedly deluded that they won't accept the domino effect they fear is already happening and has been for some time. There needs to be an urgent outbreak of common sense in Brussels but I imagine all we'll get is the usual denial...

Originally Posted by Damien

Sturgeon has worded it very carefully, she says single market. London will push for that too.

Sturgeon dances round the ring like Muhammad Ali. Her statement was threaded right through with caveats. She had to make referendum noises this morning because her party has a massive lunatic fringe since 2014 and she can't afford a split, or even a hint of disunity. On the other hand she simply isn't stupid enough to call a referendum she might lose. She wants independence and she knows the next referendum will be the last, so she will keep her powder dry and only go for it when she knows she'll win.

What she really wants to do right now is ally the result in Scotland with that from London and NI in an attempt to give the nations and London the whip hand in planning for Brexit. It is very much in her interests to see the UK remain on good terms with the EU, because if the UK is totally disengaged it will make a future referendum argument all the more difficult. Scotland's economic and cultural ties are still overwhelmingly with England, not Europe, and she will lose any future argument that makes independence a straight choice between the two.

I'm all for Scotland having another referendum as long as the rest of the uk gets a referendum on whether WE want Scotland anymore, sorry but the last referendum on independence was unpleasant enough I don't want to go through it again or again because let's be clear the snp will always be looking for an excuse. No one can predict the type of deal we may or may not get from the EU on trade because negotiations haven't even started and until they do we don't know the starting positions of either side.

[Osem]

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Just for Damien.

Originally Posted by Osem

Some say the FTSE is well overvalued and was due a correction.

It still 200 points higher now than it was 10 days ago, over 600 points higher than it was in February.

I dont recall prophets of doom then. Yes, it took a hit, it often does, currently its climbing again.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Chris

Sturgeon dances round the ring like Muhammad Ali. Her statement was threaded right through with caveats. She had to make referendum noises this morning because her party has a massive lunatic fringe since 2014 and she can't afford a split, or even a hint of disunity. On the other hand she simply isn't stupid enough to call a referendum she might lose. She wants independence and she knows the next referendum will be the last, so she will keep her powder dry and only go for it when she knows she'll win.

What she really wants to do right now is ally the result in Scotland with that from London and NI in an attempt to give the nations and London the whip hand in planning for Brexit. It is very much in her interests to see the UK remain on good terms with the EU, because if the UK is totally disengaged it will make a future referendum argument all the more difficult. Scotland's economic and cultural ties are still overwhelmingly with England, not Europe, and she will lose any future argument that makes independence a straight choice between the two.

apparently its undemocratic to expect scotts to accept the results of the democratic process .

Originally Posted by papa smurf

apparently its undemocratic to expect scotts to accept the results of the democratic process .

Meh, let Scotland leave, then they can't influence the result of elections should they happen.


Remainers need to realise all the doom and gloom they say will happen due to us leaving IS HAPPENING right now and for a few years in many British community's. NHS under strai , schools struggling to cope, jobs losses, etc etc.

But we must not forget about the Arts don't you know!!!! Talk about out of touch.

[denphone]

Morgan Stanley looks to move 2,000 London staff out of the UK.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-36561095

A petition for a 2nd referendum approaches 100000 signatures which will force the government to give it consideration.

I say let Scotland leave the UK, then have a second referendum.

Oooh an internet petition, they're always so effective. Shaky boots time ... not ...