Creationism vs Evolution, Equal?

They maybe should remove RE from the curriculum full stop and teach common sense instead? thats one subject one hell of a lot of people (imo the majority) have none at all

[Action Jackson]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

They maybe should remove RE from the curriculum full stop and teach common sense instead? thats one subject one hell of a lot of people (imo the majority) have none at all

That's what Atheism is, common sense.

Originally Posted by Action Jackson

I'm sure Jesus was a top bloke full of good intentions, albeit a bit delusional.


I think we have strayed somewhat from our initial debate(religion being taught as fact in primary schools).

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I have yet to see an illustrated bible(typically modern day children's bibles) where Adam and Eve are anything other than white.


If you type Adam and Eve into google images then this is what you get:

Adam and Eve


Overwhelmingly white I would say.

Well seeing as the Romans indoctrinated Christianity and became the largest christian church globally its hardly a surprise that artists renditions over the ages have shown them white is it.

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Originally Posted by Action Jackson

That's what Atheism is, common sense.

yeah well I know plenty of atheists who are numbskulls

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Action Jackson

That's what Atheism is, common sense.

Right, you've made your point numerous times in this thread. Any real need for you to continue to post in it?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Never spent much time worry about it. Probably not though.

Yet you said you believe they are close relatives of humans.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Yet you said you believe they are close relatives of humans.

Yes, your point being...?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by peanutkp

I thought eggs represented the stone of the tomb he was in. If I'm wrong then blame my teachers. I thought that was true right up to this day, and I'm 35.

Eggs originally symbolised Oestre, the Saxon goddess.
This was absorbed into the early church, along with many other non-christian celebrations simply to get more followers.

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Yes, your point being...?

Just wondering about the biological link.
I can see one through an evolutionary ancester, however with your theological proposition regarding humans not evolving, then how can that be?
It's like saying you didn't evolve, but your brother has. Do you see what I mean?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I will go f'kin ape if a teacher tries to teach my kids ID! Religious education I tolerate because that is the main religion of the country we live in and a working knowledge of the bible is a useful thing......but ID isn't religion. It's a certain point of view that arises from religion. As such, imo it should possibly be relegated to an after school club for anyone interested in it.

The thread has descended into just attack christianity which is wrong.

I have no problem with "creationism" i.e the story in the bible, being taught in RE studies. No problem at all.

I was taught it at an RC school, kids are smarter than you think and will question it, and usually dismiss it as soon as they have their first biology and physics lessons. If they decide, usually in adult later life, they want to immerse themselves in a particular faith then they can believe what they like.

I remember aged 7 being told that God had no beginning and no end, and I argued with the teacher that didn't make sense and that something has to start somewhere after five minutes I was told to be quiet as that was how it was so don't argue - there and then began my scepticism of religion.

What I DO object to is the teaching of ID because here they are trying to pass religion off as science and that is wholly wrong and will confuse kids.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

Pretty sure that the original bibles weren't illustrated in colour. Therefore any illustrations they had would have probably been line drawings.

Illustrated bibles contain someone's interpretation of what the bible says. Therefore, they may have changed Adam and Eve to white. In fact, IIRC, the bible doesn't directly describe their appearance at all.

Exactly, look at early paintings of Mary, she wore red because that was an expensive colour to create, then a more expensive blue came along and her clothes changed accordingly.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Just wondering about the biological link.
I can see one through an evolutionary ancester, however with your theological proposition regarding humans not evolving, then how can that be?
It's like saying you didn't evolve, but your brother has. Do you see what I mean?

I can see what you're suggesting but I don't redard neanderthals to be close enough to humans to play by the same physical rules. I'd estimate they'd be as close as apes, who I'd be willing to believe may have evolved, but not humans. I don't see skin colour, physical features (ie oriental, negroid etc) or anything like that as being big enough differences to be considered a different species or anything along those lines. Again without wanting to sound PC, we're all still human.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Damien

I liked R.E, I find religion very intresting. Especially the History of it which we were not taught much. I dont see why you are allowed to remove your children from it since its never about converting people.

We had two RE teachers, one related the to Mr Elphick from Boon, a devout christian (although there were rumours he was once a hells angel, and more likely a spitfire pilot during the war) and an excellent teacher who saw RE as a way of educating people about the worlds religions without needing to say if they are right or wrong, and he and I would have long discussions while the rest of the kids were disruptive or busy watching the Ten Commandments.
The other RE teacher, who thankfully I never had, graded people down if they weren't christians, loved the idea of judgment day when non-christians will be slaughtered, and was basically a nasty piece of work dressed up as a follower of christianity. Oh and there was a substitute teacher we had once who again had a low view of non-christians.
So, it all depends on the teacher, a good teacher will be impartial and educational, a poor teacher will try to portray their own religious beliefs as the truth.

Originally Posted by Pierre

The thread has descended into just attack christianity which is wrong.

I have no problem with "creationism" i.e the story in the bible, being taught in RE studies. No problem at all.

I was taught it at an RC school, kids are smarter than you think and will question it, and usually dismiss it as soon as they have their first biology and physics lessons. If they decide, usually in adult later life, they want to immerse themselves in a particular faith then they can believe what they like.

I remember aged 7 being told that God had no beginning and no end, and I argued with the teacher that didn't make sense and that something has to start somewhere after five minutes I was told to be quiet as that was how it was so don't argue - there and then began my scepticism of religion.

What I DO object to is the teaching of ID because here they are trying to pass religion off as science and that is wholly wrong and will confuse kids.

But science does not answer that. Why do things have to be linear? because we are? we have a start and a beggining does not mean everything does.
Isnt this the biggest pardox there is? if the universe ends what comes next and next and next and next infinately. How could time have begun? what was there before? nothing? but nothing is something but then you have to ask then where did everything come from and so resumes the paradox

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Russ B

I can see what you're suggesting but I don't redard neanderthals to be close enough to humans to play by the same physical rules. I'd estimate they'd be as close as apes, who I'd be willing to believe may have evolved, but not humans. I don't see skin colour, physical features (ie oriental, negroid etc) or anything like that as being big enough differences to be considered a different species or anything along those lines. Again without wanting to sound PC, we're all still human.

Am I correct in thinking that only humans (i.e., not neanderthals, apes, dolphins, and invertrebrates etc.) have a soul and therefore could posibly go to heaven?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Russ B

I can see what you're suggesting but I don't redard neanderthals to be close enough to humans to play by the same physical rules. I'd estimate they'd be as close as apes, who I'd be willing to believe may have evolved, but not humans. I don't see skin colour, physical features (ie oriental, negroid etc) or anything like that as being big enough differences to be considered a different species or anything along those lines. Again without wanting to sound PC, we're all still human.

Then they can't be relatives.

Look everyone here has a point and a belief but can anyone answer me this question where did everything come from?