*ALL* Speed Upgrade Discussion In Here Please

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

ianathuth please dont accuse heavier users to be all into piracy their is different uses for the traffic and its each user's right for privacy of what they use their connection for, you are not the internet police and you are not there to judge other's. If an ISP has proof of a user breaking the AUP then of course they can take the matter further with that customer.

Chrysalis, AFAIK I have never accused all heavy users of piracy so please don't say that I have unless you can point me to a post where I have. The truth of the matter though is that most heavy users use their connection in contravention of their ISPs AUP and I don't think anyone could argue with that. Any user can judge the use of others if that use has the potential to affect their own use.

What I have just done is to make clear the fact that all ISPs have conditions which prohibit certain types of use and not just NTL. Many of the people who have complained about caps have admitted what they use their connection for and would be in breach of every ISPs conditions whether the ISP is capped or uncapped.

Over the past couple of years I have heard every reason under the sun that you can use any broadband speed to its full potential 24/7 without breach of any legal obligation. Whilst theoretically it may be possible, practically I would think that you would be hard pushed to make up a couple of football teams from the prople in this country who actually do. Read carefully what I have just said before commenting on this.

[just21]

This misses the point, what are NTL doing to compete with the 4mb and 8mb products that will be available everywhere by autumn?

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by just21

This misses the point, what are NTL doing to compete with the 4mb and 8mb products that will be available everywhere by autumn?

Do they need to do anything?

[just21]

If I can get faster service for the same money then I will get it. What are they doing to stay competitive with adsl? Is there network capable of competing with 8m dsl?

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by just21

This misses the point, what are NTL doing to compete with the 4mb and 8mb products that will be available everywhere by autumn?

Everywhere?

[just21]

BT are trialling 8mb dsl in April for release in the autumn. Distance to the exchenge will still be a factor but it will be rolled out nationwide.

[phl_spector]

But if it's a BT service, you can pretty much guarantee it'll cost a lot of money. At least NTL are competitive when it comes to the price.

[dragon]

Originally Posted by phl_spector

But if it's a BT service, you can pretty much guarantee it'll cost a lot of money. At least NTL are competitive when it comes to the price.

as ukonline will be doing 8mbit via easynet adsl equipment using LLU i would guess that any 8mbit bt offering would have to be competitvly priced with that.... at least in areas where both would be avalable

[gingerprince]

Originally Posted by dragon

as ukonline will be doing 8mbit via easynet adsl equipment using LLU i would guess that any 8mbit bt offering would have to be competitvly priced with that.... at least in areas where both would be avalable

I'm in an area that can already get UKOnline's Broadband 8000 service. It's £39.99 per month.

However as I'm currently paying £20/month (new customer due to an NTL c0ck up cancelling my broadband when I cancelled my TV for Sky+) for what will be 2Mbps, I can't justify the extra £20/month for 8Mbps which I really don't need.

Would love it just for the kudos tho
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Originally Posted by gingerprince

I'm in an area that can already get UKOnline's Broadband 8000 service. It's £39.99 per month.

However as I'm currently paying £20/month (new customer due to an NTL c0ck up cancelling my broadband when I cancelled my TV for Sky+) for what will be 2Mbps, I can't justify the extra £20/month for 8Mbps which I really don't need.

Would love it just for the kudos tho

Edited to add: -

Although this is very annoying: -

http://support.ukonline.net/support_...Broadband+8000

They block port 25 and 80!!! Not good since I run my own email server.

[SOSAGES]

Originally Posted by gingerprince

Edited to add: -

Although this is very annoying: -

http://support.ukonline.net/support_...Broadband+8000

They block port 25 and 80!!! Not good since I run my own email server.

a lot of adsl isps do that u can normally give them a ring to get it unblocked you will need to give them the mx name of your mail server they will check it isnt an open relay and then they will say ok -

or use the pop3 connector

[Chrysalis]

I think everywhere is an exaggeration, but it will be available in whats known as the internet hotspots (major cities), so if I am right most of the cherry picked areas that ntl and telewest have will have 8mbit adsl available by the end of the year. The problem here is it is quite obvious NTL wont even be able to compete, due to the shareholders holding them back. They have had to introduce the 40gig cap(not discussed here) and keep the proxies just to make the 3mbit feasible, result of cutting the engineers and upgrade work. So instead NTL are trying to compete in the only area they can and that is in the budget internet market, the bottom package is very competitive.

[zitianaki]

Originally Posted by gingerprince

I'm in an area that can already get UKOnline's Broadband 8000 service. It's £39.99 per month.

You are very lucky then i cant get it until next month i still canceld my ntl
going 2Mb ukonline for 29.99 then 8MB next month even though 500GB isent much a 3Mb with a 40GB cap isent worth it. the port thing is a shame but a small price to pay for such a good dl speed plus their modems are ads2/adsl2+ enabled so when the time comes you do not need to upgrade. adsl is definatly the way to go 50 years later ntl will offer 2MB. i would of orderd it ages ago if i could get the 8MB free router until the 21st to i dont see how anyone could pass up ukonline for ntl thats crazy

http://www.ukonline.net/broadband/Ac...20Gateway1.pdf

[gingerprince]

Originally Posted by zitianaki

going 2Mb ukonline for 29.99 then 8MB next month even though 500GB isent much

You're complaining about 1/2 terrabyte a month?! That's about 16gigabytes per day. If you're downloading that much consistently you really should get out more

[dragon]

Originally Posted by gingerprince

You're complaining about 1/2 terrabyte a month?! That's about 16gigabytes per day. If you're downloading that much consistently you really should get out more

yeah i dont use anywhere near that much in a day lol

[SOSAGES]

Originally Posted by zitianaki

You are very lucky then i cant get it until next month i still canceld my ntl
going 2Mb ukonline for 29.99 then 8MB next month even though 500GB isent much a 3Mb with a 40GB cap isent worth it. the port thing is a shame but a small price to pay for such a good dl speed plus their modems are ads2/adsl2+ enabled so when the time comes you do not need to upgrade. adsl is definatly the way to go 50 years later ntl will offer 2MB. i would of orderd it ages ago if i could get the 8MB free router until the 21st to i dont see how anyone could pass up ukonline for ntl thats crazy

http://www.ukonline.net/broadband/Ac...20Gateway1.pdf

adsl in my opinion is not the way to go anything to do with wires and bt can only be trouble in the long run