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**Mick** · 09-07-2018, 21:16

Jeremy Wright new Culture Secretary.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

If you voted for Brexit you put us in this position. I knew this would be the response of Brexiters when this went pear shaped, blame everyone else.

Noone is to blame for anything - you cannot blame people for holding a democratic choice!!!

I told you over the weekend that we are not playing the blame game - so pack it in, I do not want to see posts like this again.

ianch99 · 09-07-2018, 21:17

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

No, you misunderstand.

The page you linked to said:

'We should negotiate a new UK-EU deal based on free trade and friendly cooperation. We end the supremacy of EU law. We regain control'.

I think what most Brexiteers had in mind was a trade deal such as we are seeking from other countries, not the belt and braces job that the government have been talking about for the last couple of years.

Oh, I misunderstand? Ok ...

Can you explain how a "new UK-EU deal based on free trade " is the same thing as the WTO rules-based Hard Brexit you now say the Leavers all voted for?

This should be good

**Mick** · 09-07-2018, 21:54

Seems we need a Reminder of the rules of this topic.

I will NOT tolerate anybody causing provocation.

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Originally Posted by Cable Forum

The old Brexit thread, due to it's size and other issues, has now been closed.

While opening a new thread on Brexit. It has been noticed over the last few days that, we seem to be falling back in to the pathetic child like arguments, using words such as "Remoaners and Brexstremists".

A person who voted to leave the EU and expects that result to be enacted and leave the EU in it's entirety, they are not a extreme or hard Brexiteer.

So therefore, do not use any kind of extra labeling that can be considered provocative by either side.

AND NO getting around this rule by using different variations that amount to the same meaning.... such as "Extreme Brexiteers" or "Hard Brexiteers" or any other variation that labels a Brexiteer in any other form.

1) Avoid using these provocative terms. Remember CF terms and conditions state members should not provoke other members.

Attitudes towards each other are also unacceptable. The team are sick of the constant same petty arguments day in, day out. Enough is enough. The back biting has to finally stop.

2) Act more civil towards other members, lose the bad attitudes.

Some members are also going ridiculously over old ground, for some reason discussing merits of either leaving or not leaving the EU. Brexit has now become law, the UK is leaving the EU.

As of 27/6/18, Prime Minister Theresa May is still indicating that the UK will be leaving the Customs Union and Single Market.

3) We need to start moving on, stop using Provocative terms towards each other. If this does not happen, this new thread will ultimately be closed (And the persons responsible for it's closure dealt with accordingly).

Updated: 6/7/18

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64% of Britains don't trust Theresa May in Brexit negotiations - Sky News Data Poll suggests and just 22% Trust her to get the best possible deal.

You need to go May.

Geoffrey Cox appointed Attorney General.

09-07-2018, 21:59

Lol not a single addressing of the points i made just more silliness and for the record while some may be internet brave I'm more then happy to meet anyone face to face and repeat any comment I've made as I've done in the past. I'll remain logged in for one more day if anyone wants to arrange anything.

Carth · 09-07-2018, 23:33

I haven't posted on here for almost a week because . . . well to be frank, many people (myself included) in this and the previous thread are acting almost exactly the same as those useless, clueless, bickering, incompetent MP's that we all deride and shout 'good riddance' to

We all seem to know what's best for everyone else, but we don't, because we all have different circumstances, political ideals, occupations, localities etc etc.

I voted not to 'go in' in the first place and still feel the same.
At the time of the 'vote' I had no ideas about hard brexits, soft brexits, semi brexits, Norwegian brexits or any other kind of brexit . . I just wanted out.

denphone · 10-07-2018, 05:20

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Originally Posted by Dave42

me to he was very bad health secretary

Well the new health secretary Matt Hancock certainly cannot be as bad as the slippery Jeremy Hunt because as soon as there was a crisis he would do his disappearing act off to some foreign bolthole.

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Originally Posted by Mick

Seems we need a Reminder of the rules of this topic.

I will NOT tolerate anybody causing provocation.

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64% of Britains don't trust Theresa May in Brexit negotiations - Sky News Data Poll suggests and just 22% Trust her to get the best possible deal.

You need to go May.

Geoffrey Cox appointed Attorney General.

And who would you replace her with? as the potential candidates are even more unpopular then the PM.

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Originally Posted by Carth

I haven't posted on here for almost a week because . . . well to be frank, many people (myself included) in this and the previous thread are acting almost exactly the same as those useless, clueless, bickering, incompetent MP's that we all deride and shout 'good riddance' to

We all seem to know what's best for everyone else, but we don't, because we all have different circumstances, political ideals, occupations, localities etc etc.

I voted not to 'go in' in the first place and still feel the same.
At the time of the 'vote' I had no ideas about hard brexits, soft brexits, semi brexits, Norwegian brexits or any other kind of brexit . . I just wanted out.

l voted remain but accepted the referendum result as democracy and what it entails should be respected but sadly since the referendum result its sadly been a complete omnishambles and that's being rather kind.

**Mick** · 10-07-2018, 07:06

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Lol not a single addressing of the points i made just more silliness and for the record while some may be internet brave I'm more then happy to meet anyone face to face and repeat any comment I've made as I've done in the past. I'll remain logged in for one more day if anyone wants to arrange anything.

I really don't think posts like this are helpful Rizzy - Please don't post objectionable stuff like this . I can relate to why you got upset and this has now been addressed.

Not one of the 17.4 Million voters of leaving the EU is to blame for the current shambles we are seeing today, so we know who levied that blame and they have been told in no uncertain terms that they will not do such a thing a again because they are fundamentally wrong and out of order.

It's the same nonsense over again of accusing one side of doing something they should not have done, when all they were doing were exercising their democratic right to vote one way or the other. But this blame crap will stop.

**Damien** · 10-07-2018, 08:01

So May survived yesterday and after Boris there were a couple of minor resignations but no great revolt yet or a leadership challenge.

I wonder if it's in May's interest in intentionally spark a challenge though. Tory Party rules mean that if you've successfully won a confidence vote then you cannot be challenged for another year, a year which would take us past Brexit Day.

Does she really want to spent the next few months negotiating with the EU with the threat of a coup hanging over her head? Draw the poison now, put up or shut up style. If she gets though this period she'll end up with the starting point for a deal, a united Cabinet and be safe politically.

denphone · 10-07-2018, 08:39

Personally l don't think anybody is going to put their head above the parapet and lay down a challenge to her as who is going to come forward and possess the courage to do that?

**Mick** · 10-07-2018, 08:46

70% of Conservative Membership is said to be very very unhappy with May's Brexit strategy and her previous making red lines on certain aspects of Brexit, leaving CU, SM etc but now wants to apply a common rule book where the EU is still very much in control of our economy and we don't have any say or powers. Thus, we are a Vassal State, this is NOT what the electorate voted for.

She has lost her mind, she has to go, it should be a true Brexiteer at the helm, she is a Remainer and showing her true colours.

denphone · 10-07-2018, 08:56

The trouble there is two thirds of those in the cabinet voted remain at the referendum and l certainly can't see them allowing a Brexiteer becoming the party leader in a month of Sunday's.

**Damien** · 10-07-2018, 08:59

The Conservative Membership are only really important in a leadership election at which point May would already be out.

I don't understand why the common rulebook, regulatory alignment, is such a big deal anyway. UK businesses would mostly keep to EU regulation since the EU is, by far, the biggest single regulatory block we export too and given it's geographic proximity would remain so. Even if we reverted to WTO this would likely be the case. Other visions of Brexit had regulatory alignment as a prerequisite for any trade deal.

If the country is going to get obsessed over regulation of goods then any trade deal would be a pain since that's a key element.

Dave42 · 10-07-2018, 09:03

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Originally Posted by denphone

The trouble there is two thirds of those in the cabinet voted remain at the referendum and l certainly can't see them allowing a Brexiteer becoming the party leader in a month of Sunday's.

especially one that wants a hard Brexit and falling of a cliff edge the party that does that will be out of power for very long time indeed

jonbxx · 10-07-2018, 09:24

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Originally Posted by Damien

I don't understand why the common rulebook, regulatory alignment, is such a big deal anyway. UK businesses would mostly keep to EU regulation since the EU is, by far, the biggest single regulatory block we export too and given it's geographic proximity would remain so. Even if we reverted to WTO this would likely be the case. Other visions of Brexit had regulatory alignment as a prerequisite for any trade deal.

If the country is going to get obsessed over regulation of goods then any trade deal would be a pain since that's a key element.

My reading of the common rulebook is that the aim is for a 'single market lite' where all goods produced for and by the UK market are, by default, good for the EU market too. For manufactured goods, not such a biggie as declarations of conformity cover this anyway (though there is the issue of who approves CE marking for example)

It's a much bigger deal in agriculture, where adherence to phytosanitary and veterinary standards are an issue and each shipment would require examination without a common standard. The northern irish dairy industry was very concerned and very noisy about this!

denphone · 10-07-2018, 09:26

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Originally Posted by Dave42

especially one that wants a hard Brexit and falling of a cliff edge the party that does that will be out of power for very long time indeed

The British electorate are generally a fairy moderate lot and thus don't like extremes of governance IMO..