27-01-2024, 17:56
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Re: Trump’s Troubles
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He will have to pay all of it into court pending appeal. If he can’t, the court will start siezing his assets. It’s not a good look.
All this, plus his behaviour during the hearings, has already had a bearing on the race. As a former president, his performance in his primaries ought to be understood as if he were the incumbent, in which circumstances he would face a token challenge if any. Obviously he is on course to win, but his win in NH was not nearly convincing enough - especially in a state where voters who are not registered republicans can vote. He isn’t going to win over those who didn't support him in 2020 and, anecdotally, there are plenty of never-Trump republicans who will hold their noses and vote for Biden rather than see Trump back in the White House.
His antics during this trial play to the gallery well enough and energise those who already drank his Kool Aid. But will they convince any waverers? I can’t see it.
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The acid test for this whole election will be the Presidential Debates.
I can’t see how the Democrats will let Biden debate. It would be a dumpster 🔥 fire, to use the Americanism.
It’s sad, it’s down to these two again. I wanted DeSantis, he still has time, but I fear what america …..and the world…….will be like in 2028.
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27-01-2024, 18:05
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Re: Trump’s Troubles
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Originally Posted by Pierre
The acid test for this whole election will be the Presidential Debates.
I can’t see how the Democrats will let Biden debate. It would be a dumpster 🔥 fire, to use the Americanism.
It’s sad, it’s down to these two again. I wanted DeSantis, he still has time, but I fear what america …..and the world…….will be like in 2028.
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Best hope is the two existing candidates get replaced. Maybe Biden has a medical scare and Trump gets jailed.
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27-01-2024, 22:41
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Re: Trump’s Troubles
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Best hope is the two existing candidates get replaced. Maybe Biden has a medical scare and Trump gets jailed.
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On a plain reading of the 14th amendment, section 3, the Supreme Court should bar trump from even standing, after it hears the case early next month.
If it doesn’t (and God help America if it doesn’t - on a plain reading of the constitution, the case is pretty clear cut. He certainly gave succour to insurrectionists even if one accepts - which I don’t - he didn’t directly involve himself), then being in jail doesn’t actually bar him from running for office. Though I doubt even America is mad enough to elect a president from behind bars.
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28-01-2024, 11:30
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Re: Trump’s Troubles
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On a plain reading of the 14th amendment, section 3, the Supreme Court should bar trump from even standing, after it hears the case early next month.
If it doesn’t (and God help America if it doesn’t - on a plain reading of the constitution, the case is pretty clear cut. He certainly gave succour to insurrectionists even if one accepts - which I don’t - he didn’t directly involve himself), then being in jail doesn’t actually bar him from running for office. Though I doubt even America is mad enough to elect a president from behind bars.
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You would think then that the elders of the Republican Party would see Trump as too high risk a candidate and seek to ensure he could not become their Presidential candidate. This assumes that such elders do exist and there is a mechanism to stop him.
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28-01-2024, 12:43
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Re: Trump’s Troubles
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You would think then that the elders of the Republican Party would see Trump as too high risk a candidate and seek to ensure he could not become their Presidential candidate. This assumes that such elders do exist and there is a mechanism to stop him.
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Anybody opposing Trump is in fear for their safety or being imprisoned in his ' vengeance'. The courts are all politicised
So they'll all keep their heads down. Such is the sad state of the US atm.
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30-01-2024, 21:45
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Re: Trump’s Troubles
The nutters are out in force this week.
Apparently the Superbowl is now being rigged in favour of Biden.
(Thats like them saying the FA Cup in the UK is being rigged for Labour).
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30-01-2024, 21:59
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Re: Trump’s Troubles
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The nutters are out in force this week.
Apparently the Superbowl is now being rigged in favour of Biden.
(Thats like them saying the FA Cup in the UK is being rigged for Labour).
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Yup - one of the Fox News presenters questioned if Taylor Swift was part of a Pentagon psyops campaign…
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/0...t-fox-00134866
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30-01-2024, 22:45
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Re: Trump’s Troubles
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You think they'd support a real self made billionaire who donates money to charity rather than one who begs for money and steals from a charity 
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06-02-2024, 15:11
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Re: Trump’s Troubles
Donald Trump does not have presidential immunity, US court rules
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68026175
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Donald Trump does not have presidential immunity and can be prosecuted on charges of plotting to overturn the 2020 election, a US court has ruled.
Mr Trump had claimed in the landmark legal case that he was immune from criminal charges for acts he said fell within his duties as president.
But Tuesday's ruling in Washington DC struck down that claim.
It is a setback for Mr Trump who has for years cited presidential immunity while battling multiple cases.
The former president is expected to appeal against the ruling, meaning the case could ultimately go to the Supreme Court where conservatives hold a 6-3 majority.
US Special Counsel Jack Smith has charged Mr Trump, 77, with conspiring to overturn Joe Biden's victory in the 2020 election and committing fraud to stay in office.
The trial in that case was initially scheduled for 4 March, but was postponed pending a ruling on the immunity claim.
It could be delayed for weeks, if not months, if the case ends up before the Supreme Court.
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Key quote from the finding
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"For the purpose of this criminal case, former President Trump has become citizen Trump, with all of the defenses of any other criminal defendant. But any executive immunity that may have protected him while he served as President no longer protects him against this prosecution."
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https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...08593677.0.pdf
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06-02-2024, 16:37
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He'll appeal till it gets to the court where his mates are the 'judges'. These court judgements mean nothing in the end. The US will become the world's biggest dictatorship.
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06-02-2024, 17:22
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Re: Trump’s Troubles
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He'll appeal till it gets to the court where his mates are the 'judges'. These court judgements mean nothing in the end. The US will become the world's biggest dictatorship.
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He has to appeal to the SCOTUS by Monday, and then they decide whether or not to hear the case.
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06-02-2024, 20:18
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Re: Trump’s Troubles
He’ll pardon himself when he wins.
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06-02-2024, 20:22
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Re: Trump’s Troubles
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He’ll pardon himself when he wins.
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More than one of the charges he’s facing are at state, not federal, level. Even if he’s allowed to run (USSC will consider it next week) and even if he wins (not at all guaranteed if he’s a convicted criminal come election day) he doesn’t have the power to pardon himself of convictions from state courts.
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06-02-2024, 20:29
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Meanwhile, at the New York fraud hearing (not trial, as he’s been found liable), a letter from the Judge to the lawyers (both sides) involved in the case…
Falsus in uno - "false in one thing, false in everything"
Story here
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2491660.html
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06-02-2024, 22:36
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Re: Trump’s Troubles
He allegedly lied about the size of Trump Tower?
Lock him up.
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