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[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by LondonChris

Like go to a public meeting to voice your discontent?

Indeed.

I saw that any minutes from the meeting or a plan of action yet ?

[TehTech]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

If you feel so passionately about the subject then

" DO SOMETHING REAL ABOUT IT "

Crying wolf on public forums doesn't really help nor does a petition with a handful of sigatures.

JUST what IS your problem Jackal???

How would YOU like having some nosey, intrusive person viewing your EVERY movement, what you do, who you talk to, who you visit, and worse of all, whatch what you buy, only to sell this information??

UNTIL you understand how much this means to us, SHUT UP and keep your oppinions to YOURSELF, as i say YOU know jack about this, and I am only thankfull that there ARE people that are taking this seriously and are doing EVERYTHING they can to prevent this??

A little bit of advice: keep on going this way and you WILL upset a lot of CF members!

[Dephormation]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

If you feel so passionately about the subject then

" DO SOMETHING REAL ABOUT IT "

There is nothing ordinary people can do about it, except switch ISPs, or break the law (by hacking their ISP/Phorm).

Opt out systems are illegal.

Opt in systems are seemingly unregulated (Police, ICO, and Home Office will not investigate complaints). So effectively Opt in offers no protection to consumers, ISPs are free to violate RIPA at will regardless of the explicit consent from their customers.

I've written a browser add on to counter Phorms Opt Out.

I've written server side tests that may allow web servers to detect Phorm.

And like many people, I have complained to my ISPs. They've either ignored or lied to me.

I've complained to my MP. But he's a Labour politician, and guess what... BT have a non executive director who is also a Labour MP.

Some parts of the press have covered it, notably Chris Williams at the Register... but some of the newspapers have a vested interest in ignoring it. Particularly the FT.

People like Alex have troubled to make public appearances.

I've made complaints to the Police, in person. Sitting in front of a Detective in an interview room.

I've made written complaints to the ICO. They were all ignored.

I've made complaints to the Home Office.

No one has investigated the complaints. Instead, all of them say 'its not our job to enforce RIPA'.

So just where do you get the idea people are doing nothing about this?

Or put another way, to be more constructive. What more do you think people should be doing? I'd be interested to hear, because if there is more we can do, I'm sure we will do it.

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[SimonHickling]

It seems it's not just us. Look at what NebuAd did across the Atlantic.

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...udy_finds.html

And they want to come here too?

[3x2]

What exactly are you scared of when much more sophisticated eavesdropping technology already exists and is being used

What technology are you referring to?

[dav]

Even the minority have a voice - that's democracy.
I'm sure there is an element of bear baiting in Jackal's posts but, to paraphrase Voltaire, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by TehTech

UNTIL you understand how much this means to us, SHUT UP and keep your oppinions to YOURSELF, as i say YOU know jack about this, and I am only thankfull that there ARE people that are taking this seriously and are doing EVERYTHING they can to prevent this??

A little bit of advice: keep on going this way and you WILL upset a lot of CF members!

It's called constructive criticism - Look it up in a dictionary if you have one.

Anyone with more than two brain cells can see that - everyone else will just get agitated by any comment that does not agree to their own personal agenda.

Originally Posted by TehTech

How would YOU like having some nosey, intrusive person viewing your EVERY movement, what you do, who you talk to, who you visit, and worse of all, whatch what you buy, only to sell this information??

Wow ! Amazing - Phorm does all that ?
Would you be kind enough to point me to the relevant document references ? I too would like to educate myself on the subject to take me to the level of knowledge that you have.

Many thanks in advance.

[jcardiff]

Originally Posted by dav

Even the minority have a voice - that's democracy.

Democracy?, not in Labour's Britain

I have spoken to a local MP regarding this and they have recieved a few letters regarding this sent to them but even they are getting stonewalled or getting nonsensical replies from the relevant bodies when they make any inquiries

[gaz1]

a big thankyou alexander for going on behalf of the general public and for those supporters that went to the meeting yesterday

its been an interesting read and like before has been mentioned on this forum moves incredibly fast

even i would like to contribute something to help alexander and to be able to fight this so that it was never implemented by phorm or any others that may try in the future

[The Jackal]

@Dephormation Thankyou that's an excellent summary.

[wirecutter]

The *@@@@* stuff has been on google mail for some time now. So hence I have more than one "E" but its interesting to see what the system makes of some of my customers "E"s, better than a book!

[OF1975]

The Jackal may I politely suggest to you that you shut up. I HAVE done something about it. I have spent hours writing to MPs, MEPs, Liberty, commenting on news stories and blogs about this, telling friends and acquaintances about all this.

[TehTech]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

It's called constructive criticism - Look it up in a dictionary if you have one.

Anyone with more than two brain cells can see that - everyone else will just get agitated by any comment that does not agree to their own personal agenda.



Wow ! Amazing - Phorm does all that ?
Would you be kind enough to point me to the relevant document references ? I too would like to educate myself on the subject to take me to the level of knowledge that you have.

Many thanks in advance.

Thank you for your ignorance, the ONLY thing now left to say is: **IGNORED**

[Barkotron]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

What exactly are you scared of when much more sophisticated eavesdropping technology already exists and is being used.

Really? Where is it? What's it called? Is it being deployed without a warrant or judicial oversight by a private or public body and does it monitor nearly everything every user on a particular ISP network does on the internet without the informed consent of both parties involved in the communication? Does it do this purely for the purposes of advertising?

If you know about this and have any actual evidence that this is happening, why haven't you gone to the police? You're clearly in possession of evidence of criminal acts which no-one else is aware of. Why don't you share?

Either that or you don't know what you're talking about. You can have one guess which I'd put money on...

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by 3x2

What technology are you referring to?

What's publically known is that the NSA can quite easily break 128bit encryption keys(which is the vast majority of so called secure web traffic) and worse still it's rumoured that 256bit keys are down the pan too.