Brexit - Page 24

Mr K · 22-03-2019, 08:19

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Originally Posted by jfman

English nationalism is going to have to take it’s medicine.

What price to pay? A United Ireland, economic catastrophe or Brexit in name only? The clocks are ticking. We need them more than they need us, and we’ve told them!

21 days, 14 hours and 51 minutes or
61 days, 14 hours and 51 minutes.

Clocks can, and do get reset as djfunkdup knows

jfman · 22-03-2019, 08:27

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Clocks can, and do get reset as djfunkdup knows

That’s why I hedged by bets

The first one is at least a countdown to a decision from England.

1andrew1 · 22-03-2019, 08:40

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Originally Posted by jfman

English nationalism is going to have to take it’s medicine.

What price to pay? A United Ireland, economic catastrophe or Brexit in name only? The clocks are ticking. We need them more than they need us, and we’ve told them!

21 days, 14 hours and 51 minutes or
61 days, 14 hours and 51 minutes.

It will be in name only. Just feel sorry for all those who believed thr spin.

jonbxx · 22-03-2019, 08:58

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Originally Posted by Mick

So EU earlier yesterday, sick of can being kicked down road, as are the other 27 EU Member States, they all agree tonight to kick can further down road.

You couldn't make this shit up from the corrupted and cancerous EU fools.

The EU are fools for giving the UK government what it asked for at least to some extent?

**Damien** · 22-03-2019, 09:02

The dates are ones which work for the EU. Both main scenarios either involve us leaving before complicating the EU elections or being in the EU elections. I think it kills May's deal though because she can't say 'this, or we crash out tomorrow'.

**Mick** · 22-03-2019, 09:09

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Clocks can, and do get reset as djfunkdup knows

Enough of the winding each other up - I’m quite generous in giving Forum breaks for provocative posts.

Some members, could be given their last 3rd break before being permanently banned. Sick of it.

Dave42 · 22-03-2019, 10:15

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Originally Posted by Damien

The dates are ones which work for the EU. Both main scenarios either involve us leaving before complicating the EU elections or being in the EU elections. I think it kills May's deal though because she can't say 'this, or we crash out tomorrow'.

agree her deal now dead and parliament will take control next week

mrmistoffelees · 22-03-2019, 10:30

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Originally Posted by Dave42

agree her deal now dead and parliament will take control next week

As a staunch remainer, how do you think Parliament will be able to stop a no deal exit?

Dave42 · 22-03-2019, 10:32

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

As a staunch remainer, how do you think Parliament will be able to stop a no deal exit?

they will agree a softer Brexit IMO a no deal is worse of all worlds

mrmistoffelees · 22-03-2019, 10:41

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Originally Posted by Dave42

they will agree a softer Brexit IMO

Do you think that can be negotiated and passed by April 12th? I don't

Here in lies the rub, any sort of soft Brexit would probably entail us remaining in the customs union and have us retaining freedom of movement. (basically in the EU in all but name, but without the rights of a member state, whats the point ?)

There would be many millions of unhappy leave voters who would probably never vote Tory again for their belief that May failed to implement their vision of Brexit.

going no deal would see the tory's out of power for at LEAST two terms, possibly more.

May now gets to chose whether she puts party or country first , she won't be allowed to put country first....

So, as Parliament have failed to implement Brexit and are paralyzed. it's time to shit or get off the pot, No Deal vs Remain. winner takes all.

**Mick** · 22-03-2019, 10:46

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Originally Posted by Dave42

they will agree a softer Brexit IMO a no deal is worse of all worlds

No it is not.

Also - How many times do I have to say this?

Their votes on amendments are not legally binding!!!

Only Theresa May can revoke Article 50, she cannot be forced to do so by any amendment vote in parliament. The Government is the Executive and it can only put forth Primary Legislation. Any private members Bill that attempts to change Statutes, the Government still has one last Nuclear option, as it is the Executive, it can advise the Queen to veto any Bill and it will not receive Royal Assent, no assent, means it won't pass in to law.

Dave42 · 22-03-2019, 10:51

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Do you think that can be negotiated and passed by April 12th? I don't

Here in lies the rub, any sort of soft Brexit would probably entail us remaining in the customs union and have us retaining freedom of movement. (basically in the EU in all but name, but without the rights of a member state, whats the point ?)

There would be many millions of unhappy leave voters who would probably never vote Tory again for their belief that May failed to implement their vision of Brexit.

going no deal would see the tory's out of power for at LEAST two terms, possibly more.

May now gets to chose whether she puts party or country first , she won't be allowed to put country first....

So, as Parliament have failed to implement Brexit and are paralyzed. it's time to shit or get off the pot, No Deal vs Remain. winner takes all.

the government have commit themselves to hold indicative votes in April so all options can get voted on

the ERG could come to regret not backing her deal as vast majority of parliament wont vote for a no deal and her deal was best could get with the red line of no CU or SM

best chance now for the ones that want a no deal now is a second referendum and no not calling for one bit ironic really it now best chance they got for a no deal

jfman · 22-03-2019, 10:52

What’s the odds of any such Government surviving a vote of no confidence?

denphone · 22-03-2019, 10:53

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Originally Posted by jfman

What’s the odds of any such Government surviving a vote of no confidence?

Not much...

mrmistoffelees · 22-03-2019, 10:56

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Originally Posted by Dave42

the government have commit themselves to hold indicative votes in April so all options can get voted on

the ERG could come to regret not backing her deal as vast majority of parliament wont vote for a no deal and her deal was best could get with the red line of no CU or SM

best chance now for the ones that want a no deal now is a second referendum and no not calling for one bit ironic really it now best chance they got for a no deal

one slight problem... no deal is the default legal position, not something to be voted on....