General : Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2014) Vol. 4

[harry_hitch]

Originally Posted by passingbat

Of course they mind; there's just nothing anyone can do about it!

So how is that different to Sky? No one can do anything about Sky's exclusives either. If people do mind about Netflix/Amazon et al, why not complain about them as well? There is no difference between either company.

I fail to see why Sky are the only "bad guys" here.

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Originally Posted by vincerooney

i understand companies who make their own shows and then want to be able to show them only. thats fine. i have vm i can get netflix for a fiver. i have a computer i can watch amazon prime for a fiver nice.

but what ofcom should do (in a perfect world) is stopping spiteful sky withholding programs theyve simply bought in due to their vast wealth and then withhold from people who cant get or dont want satellites planted on their roofs.

However ofcom is spineless and toothless and sadly governments are in bed with murdoch.

But Sky make some original programmes as well. They have also stated they will put money into more, original home made programmes. I understand Fortitude is made by Sky, so I take it you won't be upset by not being able to watch that on VM.

Also, as pointed out earlier, Netflix and Amazon buy exclusive content too.

As you clearly state, you have a computer. You can watch NowTV on it as well, which has Atlantic content too. Why not just pay for NowTV instead of Netflix or Amazon?

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by harry_hitch

So how is that different to Sky? No one can do anything about Sky's exclusives either. If people do mind about Netflix/Amazon et al, why not complain about them as well? There is no difference between either company.

I fail to see why Sky are the only "bad guys" here.

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Because at one time, all significant Sky branded channels were available on VM, even if some were only SD.

Then the sale of VM channels (Living etc.) to Sky happened and then Sky shortly afterwards, launched Atlantic as exclusive to them. It left a sour taste over the whole issue.

Streaming services always used exclusive content deals to attract customers. No one likes it, but it has always been the way of that business.

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Originally Posted by harry_hitch

As you clearly state, you have a computer. You can watch NowTV on it as well, which has Atlantic content too.

Now TV is an option. But it is a very poor substitute for an HBO Go service because it doesn't have back seasons always available.

But people who pay a lot for the XL TV package feel it is wrong to have to shell out even more to get HBO content via Now TV, when all the main Sky channels used to be included in the cost of XL. TV.

[vincerooney]

Sky's original programming is horrendous that's why they buy in so much if it. I think the point raised about virgin selling uktv to sky and then sky launching their own channel exclusively straight after shows the nastiness of sky. Some may class it as good business strategy I call it ****. In industry this is fine but in a tv landscape with one company butchering creativity and destroying consumers choice by basically saying "you can have that or that but not both" something should be done

If I was a billionaire id launch my own channel and buy up as much as I could as exclusive content and then give it away to bt and virgin for free. And then sky trundled up my front path smugly asking for it id grab them by the balls and ask for the earth.

[harry_hitch]

Originally Posted by passingbat

Because at one time, all significant Sky branded channels were available on VM, even if some were only SD.

Then the sale of VM channels (Living etc.) to Sky happened and then Sky shortly afterwards, launched Atlantic as exclusive to them. It left a sour taste over the whole issue.

Streaming services always used exclusive content deals to attract customers. No one likes it, but it has always been the way of that business.

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Now TV is an option. But it is a very poor substitute for an HBO Go service because it doesn't have back seasons always available.

But people who pay a lot for the XL TV package feel it is wrong to have to shell out even more to get HBO content via Now TV, when all the main Sky channels used to be included in the cost of XL. TV.

Fair enough PB, but why can Sky not change the way they operate? They have changed the goal posts and it appears to work for them. They are not on this planet to be liked - neither are VM (who we know full well upset many on here too). If Sky saw Netflix were expanding due to them offering exclusives, why shouldn't they have done something similar? I know Sky now say Atlantic is used to keep custmoers, but originally it would have been used to attract customers from rivals.

LG/VM could easily have struck a couple of exclusive deals with channels from all over the world if they wanted, over the past 4-5 years. They have simply chosen not to - but two two wrongs make a right in my eyes.

You mention about XL customers not wanting to pay more, but our bills have always gone up when new channels (including the newest Sky HD channels) have launched and our bills will go up again if we ever get Atlantic. Admittedly the bills will not go up as much as the nowtv subs though.

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Originally Posted by vincerooney

Sky's original programming is horrendous that's why they buy in so much if it. I think the point raised about virgin selling uktv to sky and then sky launching their own channel exclusively straight after shows the nastiness of sky. Some may class it as good business strategy I call it ****. In industry this is fine but in a tv landscape with one company butchering creativity and destroying consumers choice by basically saying "you can have that or that but not both" something should be done

If I was a billionaire id launch my own channel and buy up as much as I could as exclusive content and then give it away to bt and virgin for free. And then sky trundled up my front path smugly asking for it id grab them by the balls and ask for the earth.

It may well be nasty of Sky, but the facts of the matter are, they do run a business - they may be **** in many peoples eyes, but what do they care? They are making the profits they need to make. VM/LG could still do the same and buy exclusive content (they could, in theory, launch an exlusive new channel from C4 if they chose to), but they choose not to.

Were VM nasty not to offer Sky their BB? Was it nasty of BT to offer BT Sport free with their BB? No, VM need a USP, as do Sky and BT.
Bearing in mind, we get the vast majority of content Sky have on VM, Sky need to do something to stop people jumping ship to get a potentially better deal from VM. Atlantic does this, probably at a considerable cost to Sky too.

It would be nice if a rival of Sky took them by the balls, but for some reason they will not.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by harry_hitch

If Sky saw Netflix were expanding due to them offering exclusives, why shouldn't they have done something similar? .

VM TV channels were sold in 2010. Netflix didn't launch in the UK until 2012.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...media-channels


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16467432

[gemma307]

Originally Posted by Derekb108

netflix makes its own exclusive shows such as orange is the new black, hemlock grove Lilly hammer, etc

but buys exclusive UK programmes for the us market such as Derek, Happy Valley.

but makes Documentary such as print the legend,
netflix has game money to childrens programs to revive the care bears, the magic school bus.

Netflix have also just done a deal with Marvel to carry 5 series, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist and Luke Cage to be followed by a series with all 4 like a mini Avengers
http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/29/7...ear-every-year

[harry_hitch]

Originally Posted by passingbat

VM TV channels were sold in 2010. Netflix didn't launch in the UK until 2012.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...media-channels


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16467432

Netflix were storming in the States at that time though. I am sure Sky would have looked at what was making Netflix in the States so successful, and if see they incorporate anything similar in their offering.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by harry_hitch

Netflix were storming in the States at that time though. I am sure Sky would have looked at what was making Netflix in the States so successful, and if see they incorporate anything similar in their offering.

Or they had a plan to screw VM. I know which one I'm going for

[harry_hitch]

Originally Posted by passingbat

Or they had a plan to screw VM. I know which one I'm going for

Haha, indeed they did. How they decided on what the plan would be interests me.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by harry_hitch

Netflix were storming in the States at that time though. I am sure Sky would have looked at what was making Netflix in the States so successful, and if see they incorporate anything similar in their offering.

Sky Atlantic was there to give Sky a USP. Now TV is there because Sky's satellite subscriptions have more or less peaked and it is looking to target the 40% of households that don't want a full-blown package and currently take Freeview.

[Media Boy UK]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Sunday news:

- Looks like Viacom have decided not to close Channel 5+24.

- Not sure where 5* +1 will go when it returns.

- Viacom want Spike TV to be carried on VM from next year.

5* + 1 update.

Both a516 Digital and DS Forum are both reporting that Viacom has axe BET +1 on Sky to make way for 5* +1 to relaunch.

http://www.a516digital.com/2014/11/b...reesat-to.html

[vincerooney]

with spike tv i'd imagine its going to be a uk version and not a straight import of the american version???

[pk1]

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[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by vincerooney

with spike tv i'd imagine its going to be a uk version and not a straight import of the american version???

It will be overseen by Channel 5 and initially will carry both US factual programmes including Bar Rescue as well as repeats of Channel 5 factual series such as Cowboy Builders and Police Interceptors. It will eventually commission its own programmes.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by theone2k10

TBF to Sky they are offering their content to anyone with broadband now via their nowtv service.

As long as they don't keep cutting you off in error, as they keep doing to your good self!

Last weeks Watchdog slated Now TV for a number of reasons, including it going off during crucial football matches, being given a ridiculously short window to view box sets etc.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...s-34-episode-3

It's about halfway through for anyone interested

Originally Posted by passingbat

Because at one time, all significant Sky branded channels were available on VM, even if some were only SD.

Then the sale of VM channels (Living etc.) to Sky happened

Now TV is an option. But it is a very poor substitute for an HBO Go service because it doesn't have back seasons always available.

But people who pay a lot for the XL TV package feel it is wrong to have to shell out even more to get HBO content via Now TV, when all the main Sky channels used to be included in the cost of XL. TV.

Indeed.

Originally Posted by vincerooney

Sky's original programming is horrendous that's why they buy in so much if it. I think the point raised about virgin selling uktv to sky and then sky launching their own channel exclusively straight after shows the nastiness of sky. Some may class it as good business strategy I call it ****. In industry this is fine but in a tv landscape with one company butchering creativity and destroying consumers choice by basically saying "you can have that or that but not both" something should be done

If I was a billionaire id launch my own channel and buy up as much as I could as exclusive content and then give it away to bt and virgin for free. And then sky trundled up my front path smugly asking for it id grab them by the balls and ask for the earth.

PMSL-literally

Originally Posted by passingbat

Or they had a plan to screw VM. I know which one I'm going for

Me too. A vile company who I refuse to do business with.

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Originally Posted by Media Boy

5* + 1 update.

Both a516 Digital and DS Forum are both reporting that Viacom has axe BET +1 on Sky to make way for 5* +1 to relaunch.

http://www.a516digital.com/2014/11/b...reesat-to.html

Thanks for the update. I wonder if BET +1 will be dropped on VM (if we have it that is) to accommodate 5* +1?