General Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 5. - Page 24

jodash · 08-10-2013, 17:43

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Originally Posted by passingbat

The BBC is not the largest percentage of my viewing, but I think it is important that we have a broadcaster that is not completely controlled by what is popular (i.e. brings in advertising revenue) and caters for minority interests. Sadly the BBC does get swayed a little to much by audience ratings and competing for prime time viewing numbers with ITV, but it is better than having every channel run on programming that is ad revenue driven.

Agreed BBC should forget the ratings and start making quality programmes again

Media Boy UK · 08-10-2013, 17:51

I think I will wait on more info coming via the BBC about BBC One +1 before posting my own view.

-Will the BBC launch one BBC One +1 channel or will they launch up to four channels - one for England, Wales, Scotland and N. Ireland?
-Will it launch on Virgin Media?

MB HQ thinks if BBC One +1 do launch on Virgin Media it will launch on Virgin Channel 108. With BBC One HD moving to beside BBC TWO HD and BBC ALBA on the Virgin EPG.

Doug P · 08-10-2013, 17:51

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Originally Posted by muppetman11

Absolutely one mans trash is another mans treasure.

Which is why the Beeb is there to provide a variety of shows across radio and tv.

Let them trounce the X Factor in the ratings on Saturdays. Why not it's good for the morale of the nation!!

RichardCoulter · 08-10-2013, 18:08

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Originally Posted by ocav

Most likely, they shut down Bio HD a while back which kind of signals the end of a channel to me.

But it could mean the launch of History HD and CI HD (surprised Lifetime won't get a HD counterpart, seems kind of pointless not launching in HD)

Yes, very odd that they haven't set up an HD version from launch. Wonder why they can't use the former Bio HD capacity?

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Originally Posted by cdf90

BBC One +1 to launch, according to the Director-General.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...one-plus1.html

Excellent news, I never thought that the BBC would do this as the reasons the commercial channels do it is to increase advertising revenue.

passingbat · 08-10-2013, 18:09

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Originally Posted by Doug P

Let them trounce the X Factor in the ratings on Saturdays. Why not it's good for the morale of the nation!!

Sorry but this ratings competition on Saturday night is one thing about the BBC that does annoy me. I don't watch either of those shows, but they are popular so why put them head to head? The only people who loose out are the British public.

And as far as I recall, ITV had that reality game show spot with X Factor, before the BBC launched Strictly. The BBC should have picked a different time for Strictly.

Media Boy UK · 08-10-2013, 18:16

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Wonder why they can't use the former Bio HD capacity?

Bio HD capacity is now use for CI HD on Astra.

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New rumour:

FIVE new channels may launch on Virgin Media within the next two weeks.

MB HQ is not posting the names until I get them confirmed by an other Virgin Viewer.

denphone · 08-10-2013, 18:24

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Originally Posted by passingbat

Sorry but this ratings competition on Saturday night is one thing about the BBC that does annoy me. I don't watch either of those shows, but they are popular so why put them head to head? The only people who loose out are the British public.

And as far as I recall, ITV had that reality game show spot with X Factor, before the BBC launched Strictly. The BBC should have picked a different time for Strictly.

l agree as in my humble opinion the BBC should not be obsessed with ratings at all as they are there to serve the public and not take on ITV or SKY who are more obsessed with ratings.

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Originally Posted by Media Boy

Bio HD capacity is now use for CI HD on Astra.

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New rumour:

FIVE new channels may launch on Virgin Media within the next two weeks.

MB HQ is not posting the names until I get them confirmed by an other Virgin Viewer.

Oh goody goody more surprises.

passingbat · 08-10-2013, 18:30

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Originally Posted by andy_m

The current system of paying for the BBC is broken and needs looking at

Sorry can't agree with that. Any other means involves commercial input that would defeat the whole point of public funded broadcasting.

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Originally Posted by andy_m

I can't, however, accept that I should have to see some of my money be put towards biased, agenda led news

What bias are you talking about?

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Originally Posted by andy_m

The BBC should be slimmed down and the licence fee reduced accordingly, not aim to be a behemoth like replacement for those who don't want to subscribe to pay tv.

Completely disagree.

You mean those 10 million who don't want to subscribe to pay TV?

Do the ones who subscribe to Pay TV never watch the BBC, use it's catch up or listen to it's radio stations then?

andy_m · 08-10-2013, 18:36

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Originally Posted by Doug P

Which is why the Beeb is there to provide a variety of shows across radio and tv.

Let them trounce the X Factor in the ratings on Saturdays. Why not it's good for the morale of the nation!!

No. Let them be innovative, experimental, trail blazing etc. I'll pay for that without complaint. They're doing great things with iPlayer, 3D sporting broadcasts, red button, new music etc. When they're on it they lead the way and others follow. But I cannot accept that we pay the licence fee to allow them to produce populist trash in order to compete in a race for ratings. And yes, I accept that some of what I consider trash is another person's (!) treasure, but in almost every case (Eastenders, the Voice) they're trying to compete with free to air broadcasters who got there first - I just can't understand why.

Let them do what they do best, lead the industry in innovation and experimentation, but make sure they remember the responsibility they have to spend our money properly in these areas rather than trying to imitate ad supported broadcasters who need to produce broadly popular programming to increase revenue.

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Originally Posted by passingbat

Sorry can't agree with that. Any other means involves commercial input that would defeat the whole point of public funded broadcasting.

What bias are you talking about?

Completely disagree.

You mean those 10 million who don't want to subscribe to pay TV?

Do the ones who subscribe to Pay TV never watch the BBC, use it's catch up or listen to it's radio stations then?

The bias that the corporation itself has admitted exists and is evident to anybody who has watched a significant amount of it's news output.

passingbat · 08-10-2013, 18:45

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Originally Posted by andy_m

The bias that the corporation itself has admitted exists and is evident to anybody who has watched a significant amount of it's news output.

BBC news is the only news channel I watch (can't be doing with the adverts on the other news channels). Can you give me an example of any bias?

nicknewark · 08-10-2013, 18:55

Great News all these channels, but there must be a price rise on the Horizon!.

denphone · 08-10-2013, 19:02

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Originally Posted by nicknewark

Great News all these channels, but there must be a price rise on the Horizon!.

Well if the price rise is only a couple of quid and the rumoured certain channels arrive then l will accept that quite happily.

andy_m · 08-10-2013, 19:20

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Originally Posted by passingbat

BBC news is the only news channel I watch (can't be doing with the adverts on the other news channels). Can you give me an example of any bias?

In that case I'd ask you to consider the next time they report a government initiative. Is the headline factual ie. "Coalition announce plans to remove spare room subsidy from council tenants", or does it betray what they think of the policy ie. "Tory bedroom tax criticised"?

Whatever you think about that specific policy, I'd argue that as the nation's broadcaster, paid for by the licence fee, they have a duty to report factually. All elements of the story should be covered but it shouldn't be presented at the start from either side of the argument.

This is worth a read http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...ve-admits.html

passingbat · 08-10-2013, 19:40

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Originally Posted by andy_m

This is worth a read http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...ve-admits.html

But this is the overall conclusion and it says there is no hint of bias.

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However, overall the breadth of opinion reflected by the BBC on this subject is broad and impressive, and no persuasive evidence was found that significant areas of opinion are not given due weight today.”

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The BBC said the report provided some “interesting insight”, but pointed out that, on the whole, its coverage had been found to be “broad and impressive”. The report cost £175,000 to produce.

And Nigel Farage gets loads of exposure these days.

ocav · 08-10-2013, 19:41

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Originally Posted by andy_m

In that case I'd ask you to consider the next time they report a government initiative. Is the headline factual ie. "Coalition announce plans to remove spare room subsidy from council tenants", or does it betray what they think of the policy ie. "Tory bedroom tax criticised"?

Those headlines have 2 totally different meanings, one means that it is being scrapped, one means it is being criticised.

Do you read a paper? If so is it the Daily Mail?