Pandemic (Swine) Flu - Page 24

Russ · 30-04-2009, 06:39

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Originally Posted by chaos23

So because they have made controversial statements before, makes them a liar does it? LOL

You really need more practise at this 'discussion' business.....

Firstly no-one is accusing her a lying, because all she's done is give her opinion. The only way she could be lying is if she *says* she believes it's man-made while secretly she doesn't.

Secondly when someone with a history of making controversial statements makes...er...a controversial statement, it becomes slightly harder to take what she says seriously.

For most people anyway.

30-04-2009, 06:45

Controversial last time I looked did not mean incorrect or wrong

Russ · 30-04-2009, 06:49

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

Controversial last time I looked did not mean incorrect or wrong

I'm not saying it does! But such comments can lose credibility very easily if the speaker is known to be controversial. And all she's giving is her opinion - no more.

30-04-2009, 06:57

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Originally Posted by Russ B

I'm not saying it does! But such comments can lose credibility very easily if the speaker is known to be controversial. And all she's giving is her opinion - no more.

Why ?? that does not make sense . The comments should only lose credability if they are not only controversial but also proven incorrect. It does not make sense to dismiss someone just because they say something a lot of people do not like.

On a side note WHO have raised it to level 5 now one stage below a global epidemic.

Also it is said to be pretty mild and the mistake we could make is to use up stockpiles of drugs on this and then be hit by H5N1 which is a far worse problem

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090430/...t-41f21e0.html

Russ · 30-04-2009, 07:00

A controversial minister makes a controversial statement - although does not make it false, it equally doesn't make it correct.

30-04-2009, 07:02

This thread has been allowed to go nuts. Far to much bickering and arguing over who is a conspiracy theorist and who isnt and who is mad and who isnt while quite quickly the situation is worsening and it looks to me like the possibility of a pandemic is on the cards. The flu virus can mutate quite quickly what is quite mild now may not stay that way. Lets hope it stays as it is now

chaos23 · 30-04-2009, 07:17

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Originally Posted by Russ B

I'm not saying it does! But such comments can lose credibility very easily if the speaker is known to be controversial. And all she's giving is her opinion - no more.

Why would someones comments lose credibility if they are known to be controversial?

Russ · 30-04-2009, 07:22

People who are known for 'stirring the pot'....will be known for stirring the pot. She hasn't got any grounds for her opinion so it's purely speculation.

chaos23 · 30-04-2009, 07:23

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Originally Posted by Russ B

A controversial minister makes a controversial statement - although does not make it false, it equally doesn't make it correct.

You immiediately attempted to traduce the ministers credibility. In a attempt to rubbish my claims. The reasons for this are :

You have issues with me posting here

You are scared to deviate away from anything but the "norm"

You are scared.

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Originally Posted by Russ B

People who are known for 'stirring the pot'....will be known for stirring the pot. She hasn't got any grounds for her opinion so it's purely speculation.

I am not getting into this with you. Lets stick to the subject matter shall we.

LondonRoad · 30-04-2009, 07:28

Sometimes the controversial ones are the ones not afraid to stick their heads above the parapet and speak the truth.

Wasn't Jesus Christ one of the most controversial figures during his short life?

Russ · 30-04-2009, 07:37

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Originally Posted by chaos23

You immiediately attempted to traduce the ministers credibility.

You originally posted the few few lines of your post in big black lettering in an attempt to get people's attention (before I edited it back down as there was no need to post like that). I pointed out she's known for being controversial and she's only giving her unqualified opinion. I apologise for bringing facts in to this.

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Originally Posted by chaos23

In a attempt to rubbish my claims. The reasons for this are :

You have issues with me posting here

Excuse me?! With the greatest respect you're not really high enough on my radar for me to be bothered one way or another.

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Originally Posted by chaos23

You are scared to deviate away from anything but the "norm"

You think you know me?

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Originally Posted by chaos23

You are scared.

Yes, I am scared of that photo of me when I was 14 standing next to Goofy in DisneyWorld ever being made public. But that's about it.

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Originally Posted by chaos23

I am not getting into this with you. Lets stick to the subject matter shall we.

So you are happy to launch an ad hominem attack (google it) on me without giving me an opportunity to respond?

You really have no idea how discussions work.

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Originally Posted by harmitage

Wasn't Jesus Christ one of the most controversial figures during his short life?

Yes and he was rightly challenged for it. Controversial figures should be prepared for their views to be tested and/or doubted.

Nugget · 30-04-2009, 08:07

I tried to ring NHS Direct for advice this morning, but all I got was crackling on the line.

idi banashapan · 30-04-2009, 08:16

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Originally Posted by icestar2

So when he is asked to prove something and cant and decides to move to petty name calling thats ok then. I've personally kept out of most of his threads because they are always filled with conspiracys.

If you see a conspiracy in everything then simple probability says that eventually you'll be right in one of them.

As you'll see I've asked some times in this thread for Chaos23 to show me were he is getting his information to which I was just ignored or insulted myself. I have no personal problem with Chaos at all and he is well within his right to speak his mind but then so am I.

I think this is more just a clash of opinions/personalitys which is always going to happen on a forum as it does in the real world. That does not mean I dislike him just that I dislike some of his views sometimes and he no doubt does mine.

I have steered well clear of naming names, but your immediate defensive stance says more than I could.

during my time posting to this forum, I have seen many people post many links on many topics and I have absolutely no doubt that a number of those who jump on others in a forceful manned do NOT read the links supplied by those whom they mock. so how does one win that? 'evidence' is asked for, links are supplied, people don't read them yet ask for more evidence.

like I said before, if your view isn't the same as some, then your just worng, no matter what you say or do.

let's leave it there now and get back to the topic.

LondonRoad · 30-04-2009, 08:22

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Yes and he was rightly challenged for it. Controversial figures should be prepared for their views to be tested and/or doubted.

But surely not their credibility?

Russ · 30-04-2009, 08:25

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Originally Posted by harmitage

But surely not their credibility?

If they can back it up with something (scientific data, walking on water etc) then that's a different matter.