"Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"

[Flyboy]

I am not defending him whatsoever. What I am debating is the extremism of the knee-jerkers who shout that everyone awaiting trial should be remanded in custody.

Originally Posted by Flyboy

I am not defending him whatsoever. What I am debating is the extremism of the knee-jerkers who shout that everyone awaiting trial should be remanded in custody.

Flyboy, I think you'll find that those you accuse of extremism, infact expect that the CJS hold on remand those people alleged to have commited the worst offences. When I say the worst offences I include the likes of murderers, child rapists, rapists and serial fraudsters. I, and I'm sure many other who post on this forum, expect the systems that we pay for, and which is supposed to protect us from the **** of society, to expect said **** to await trial while banged-up, and away from the decent folks.

You on the other hand seem happy to contend that no-one, no matter how serious the crime they are alleged to have commited, should ever be held on remand. I just hope that no-one you care about ever has anything really bad done to them. I'm sure at that point your liberal attitude will change....

[Osem]

Flyboy "debating the Extremism of knee jerkers" You wasted no time jumping on the women who dared to make a claim about bullying within No.10. How very tolerant.... You defend the rights and freedoms of some people to the hilt but when it comes to those whose politics and views differ from yours (like certain Dutch MPs for example) that tolerance seems to disappear in a puff of red smoke. I suggest you are a 'knee-jerker' and a far more politically motivated and blinkered one than I ever will be.

[Derek]

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...na-Burton.html

FURIOUS war veterans blasted a judge yesterday after he freed a couple who used their two-year-old daughter to steal Poppy Appeal tins.
Oxford Crown Court Judge Julian Hall said he would not jail him because his crimes were "drugs-driven" and "the money involved is very little".

So commit any crime you like and blame it on the drugs and you'll walk. Stealing charity tins is the lowest of the low and I reckon he should be getting a few months compulsary drugs rehab at Her Majesties pleasure.

Originally Posted by Derek S

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...na-Burton.html



So commit any crime you like and blame it on the drugs and you'll walk. Stealing charity tins is the lowest of the low and I reckon he should be getting a few months compulsary drugs rehab at Her Majesties pleasure.

I hate to tell you, but there are just as many drugs in the prisons as there are out. Someone I know works in a prison and that's who told us that one of the biggest problems is trying to control the amount of drugs going into the prisons and let's not forget, if someone goes in hooked on heroin, they are not forced to go cold turkey, nope, they are entitled to copious amounts of methadone to "cope" with their addiction/illness. What a joke!!!!

While some people that commit crimes that pose no threat to society at all shouldn't be held on remand anyone who commits a crime of violence of any sort or someone who routinely commits crime imo should be held on remand awaiting their trial. I don't see that as knee jerk or unreasonable and the reason it isn't happening is despite the fact that they have been in government for thirteen years overseen a large increase in the population of the country labour has failed to buil d sufficient prisons to accomadate those who commit crime.

This has led to a lot of people that shouldn't have been being let out many reoffending and some of them killing people. Right now the cjs in the uk is not fit for purpose does not protect the public and does not adequately punish those who commit crime. We the law abiding public have a right to expect punishment when a crime is committed and for that punishment to fit the crime, but all we get is endless tales of human rights violations for people that before being caught didn't give a stuff about human rights.

We have been and continue to be weak in dealing with those amongst our society who feel no obligation or commitment to abide by societys rules and will at any oppurtunity abuse and injure people for self gain. Enough is enough and the system must change and deal adequately with law breakers because if it continues not too as much as i detest the idea vigiliantism will start to rear it's ugly head and enjoy support from the majority.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Fionnin

I hate to tell you, but there are just as many drugs in the prisons as there are out.

Oh believe me I know, still withdrawal from opiates does not kill you.
I wouldn't be adverse to people with heroin addiction being popped into solitary for a week or so until they provide a clean drugs test then let them mix with the rest of the prison population till their sentence is up.

Of course any further positive tests result in another trip to cold turkey land.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Osem

Flyboy "debating the Extremism of knee jerkers" You wasted no time jumping on the women who dared to make a claim about bullying within No.10. How very tolerant.... You defend the rights and freedoms of some people to the hilt but when it comes to those whose politics and views differ from yours (like certain Dutch MPs for example) that tolerance seems to disappear in a puff of red smoke. I suggest you are a 'knee-jerker' and a far more politically motivated and blinkered one than I ever will be.

What is wrong with being intolerant of bigots and racists?

Originally Posted by Flyboy

What is wrong with being intolerant of bigots and racists?

So are you now saying that the public expectation (and lets remember that the board members here are members of the Great British Public), that violent criminals, awaiting trail, should be kept behind bars, are in fact a bunch of bigots and racists ? Cause that seems to be exactly what you are intimating of the people (including myself) that have posted in this thread, expecting to be protected from those awaiting trial for the worst crimes. Instead of the CJS allowing the worst criminals to continue to predate on the law abiding public....

Earl god knows i am no flyboy fan but i think that comment was in relation to Osem's bit about dutch politician m8 not a general comment on this thread and those who have posted .

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Earl god knows i am no flyboy fan but i think that comment was in relation to Osem's bit about dutch politician m8 not a general comment on this thread and those who have posted .

If thats the case Rizzy, then Flyboy needs to learn to qualify, and/or put his statements in context. Otherwise he'll find himself red dotted, and possibly have his post reported....

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

If thats the case Rizzy, then Flyboy needs to learn to qualify, and/or put his statements in context. Otherwise he'll find himself red dotted, and possibly have his post reported....

Seeing as you were the only one who had a problem with understanding the obvious, I doubt that would happen. Seeing as my post contained the pertinant quote from another poster, I am amazed that anyone at all missed the relevance of my remarks.

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Seeing as you were the only one who had a problem with understanding the obvious, I doubt that would happen. Seeing as my post contained the pertinant quote from another poster, I am amazed that anyone at all missed the relevance of my remarks.

Yet you miss the point entirely Flyboy.... In post 347 you said

I am not defending him whatsoever. What I am debating is the extremism of the knee-jerkers who shout that everyone awaiting trial should be remanded in custody.

Then only a couple of posts later. You equate board members who expect the CJS to place people accused of serious and violent crimes in prison, to Geert Wilders and the head of a bullying charity (who may or may not have a political axe to grind against Liebour/Gordon Brown). Thus there is a direct link between your posts, that link being your definition of extremism.... Which seems to be anyone with a different opinion to yours.

[Flyboy]

I think you lost the flow of the exchange somewhere and who wrote what and when. I did not invoke any examples of tolerating extremism at all, that was another poster.

Originally Posted by Flyboy

I think you lost the flow of the exchange somewhere and who wrote what and when. I did not invoke any examples of tolerating extremism at all, that was another poster.

As usual you dodge and weave, but fail to defect....

I have neither misquoted, nor misunderstood your previous posts. As a matter of fact, I've gone back an read, and re-read the tripe you've posted over that last 4 or 5 pages, and it follows your usual form of posting.

You talk balls. Refuse to respond when asked direct questions, and after 8 - 12 posts hint that everyone who doesn't agree with you is an extremist, bigot or racist....

I truly thank the stars I don't know you in Real Life, as I'm quite sure listening to you hold forth would be like standing under a torrent of verbal excrement....

On that note, welcome to my ignore list. Your digital excrement is no longer worthy of my time....