MERGED - All Avril threads

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Neil

You're confusing this thread with Avril's career.

suppose i walked in to that one

[Halcyon]

wow It had been a while since this thread had re-surfaced.
I wonder what Avril's upto at the moment. Kronas..you know ?

[kronas]

i have no idea, im not really interested anymore.....

[Russ]

Originally Posted by kronas

i have no idea, im not really interested anymore.....

WHAT???

Who are you....and what have you done with the real Kronas?

kronas has moved on to real women!!Good for him.


Anyway how many of us had a real crush on a singer in our younger days that we would be totally embarrassed to admit to in the later years of our lives?

And no I'm not telling you any of mine....

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

kronas has moved on to real women!!Good for him.


Anyway how many of us had a real crush on a singer in our younger days that we would be totally embarrassed to admit to in the later years of our lives?

And no I'm not telling you any of mine....

I had a crush on charlene....

And um.... kylie (Before she changed)

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

kronas has moved on to real women!!Good for him.

ah well im going to work on that one, and not give up

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Anyway how many of us had a real crush on a singer in our younger days that we would be totally embarrassed to admit to in the later years of our lives?

And no I'm not telling you any of mine....

crush ? i would say attracted to, but not in the sense that it was ever reality, because it was not, but rather an admiration of what the person has done in the music industry.

at the moment i only have eyes for one person

but go on admit to some, i properbly wont know any of them

[Neil]

Originally Posted by kronas

crush ? i would say attracted to, but not in the sense that it was ever reality, because it was not, but rather an admiration of what the person has done in the music industry.

I hope you're not referring to AV there Kronie.....

I'm really not sure what she has "done" for the music industry, other than be in it.

Originally Posted by kronas

at the moment i only have eyes for one person

Ah Kronie....I love you too!

Originally Posted by kronas

but go on admit to some, i properbly wont know any of them

Yeah....spill the beans!

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by kronas

ah well im going to work on that one, and not give up

Now that IS good news ..... Persistence can sometimes pay off.

Originally Posted by kronas

at the moment i only have eyes for one person

I hope she's nice then

Originally Posted by kronas

but go on admit to some, i properbly wont know any of them

I already have

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Neil

I hope you're not referring to AV there Kronie.....

I'm really not sure what she has "done" for the music industry, other than be in it.

well she showed that not everyone will lust after a britney spears, people will accept other talent, other marketed talent such as her self.

she has sold over 20 million albums, her second album outsold britneys(cant remember the name of it the one where she is using a more asian influence in her music).... i dont know if thats still the case it was a while ago.

also representing the canadian artists out there can hack it.

Originally Posted by Neil

Ah Kronie....I love you too!

its not you, so dont get your hopes up!

Originally Posted by Neil

Yeah....spill the beans!

[Neil]

Originally Posted by kronas

well she showed that not everyone will lust after a britney spears, people will accept other talent, other marketed talent such as her self.

Hmmm-she didn't "show" it though-people bought her music after the AV marketing machine achieved it's goal of getting her noticed.

Originally Posted by kronas

she has sold over 20 million albums, her second album outsold britneys.... i dont know if thats still the case it was a while ago.

Betcha Britney has still sold more!

I still feel she is going the way you said she never would/would need to, & that's the sexy road.

Don't get me wrong, I think she is a sexy young lady, & I like some of her somgs, but does she really think that she is the 1st young singer to be caught on film smoking/drinking/sticking their middle finger up?

Originally Posted by kronas

its not you, so dont get your hopes up!

Liar!

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Neil

Hmmm-she didn't "show" it though-people bought her music after the AV marketing machine achieved it's goal of getting her noticed.

i was not talking about her looks, but the image portrayed, her own persona.

Originally Posted by Neil

Betcha Britney has still sold more!

yep, but whos been round longer

Originally Posted by Neil

I still feel she is going the way you said she never would/would need to, & that's the sexy road.

yep and thats where she lost me.

having said that the music industry itself is mostly marketing these days (britney, christina etc) anyway.

most artists dont write or co-write their songs, with everything else done for them, apart from ofcourse the singing even then thats assisted sometimes.

Originally Posted by Neil

Don't get me wrong, I think she is a sexy young lady, & I like some of her somgs, but does she really think that she is the 1st young singer to be caught on film smoking/drinking/sticking their middle finger up?

i agree but thats not what her music/videos were about.

Originally Posted by Neil

Liar!

believe what you want, what you really really want....but its true.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by kronas

i was not talking about her looks, but the image portrayed, her own persona.

How do you know it was "her" persona??

She portrayed what she was told to, to appeal to a particular audience.

Originally Posted by kronas

yep, but whos been round longer

Britters.....

Originally Posted by kronas

yep and thats where she lost me.

Because you suddenly realised that she was nothing more than a marketed package you mean?

Originally Posted by kronas

having said that the music industry itself is mostly marketing these days (britney, christina etc) anyway.

Always has been, always will be.

Originally Posted by kronas

most artists dont write or co-write their songs, with everything else done for them, apart from ofcourse the singing even then thats assisted sometimes.

Yep.

Originally Posted by kronas

i agree but thats not what her music/videos were about.

It wasn't with the audience that she had, but as she grew, so did her fanbase, & the only way to expand her fanbase was to change direction to appeal to an older fanbase (older than the "sk8tr b0ys" anyway), & go down the "sexy" route.

Originally Posted by kronas

believe what you want, what you really really want....but its true.

I know this....much is true"

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Neil

How do you know it was "her" persona??

because i reasearched elsewhere, ultimately stardom changes a person.

Originally Posted by Neil

She portrayed what she was told to, to appeal to a particular audience.

i agree and is changing even more so on recent evidence.

Originally Posted by Neil

Because you suddenly realised that she was nothing more than a marketed package you mean?

no i just went off her.

Originally Posted by Neil

Always has been, always will be.

its all about the $ or £

Originally Posted by Neil

Yep.

glad we agree

Originally Posted by Neil

It wasn't with the audience that she had, but as she grew, so did her fanbase, & the only way to expand her fanbase was to change direction to appeal to an older fanbase (older than the "sk8tr b0ys" anyway), & go down the "sexy" route.


I know this....much is true"

she did and still does have a young fan base (in the majority) but did attract others aswell, but an artist reinvents themself over time.

just look at madonna and kylie.

When you are young you change anyway so its not 100% easy to say that any charge was a marketing ploy although i wouldnt be surprised if it was. Although compared to some pop music she does seem to be responibly geniune.

If i could just pick up on what kronas said about most artists not writing their own songs i would like to make a few comments on that. First of all most artists DO write their own songs. Its just those bands that dont write their own songs seem to be on the public stage the most.

However even that is changing, recent boy bands (busted, McFly) are being given guiters to try and give them more credibility which has become a required trait to be succesful as the young audience like to appear to be listaining to 'real' and 'quality' music. Although the only problem is that these bands write meanless and stupid lyrics. While the music is manufactured to sound additive.

Thankfully bands such as U2, Coldplay and so are still around also due to online downloads older music is selling a lot more to. I discovered Dire straitrs thanks to the west wing & iTunes