Coronavirus

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Speculative at best.

It's not speculative, if you had bothered to read the scientific studies I posted you would know that, but then that would mean you were informed.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

It's not speculative, if you had bothered to read the scientific studies I posted you would know that, but then that would mean you were informed.

On the contrary Pierre it would mean I became further distracted by speculative nonsense.

We've real world, observed analysis of this coronavirus and it's variants.

If they were all much of a muchness as your simplistic hypothesis suggests then no such observations would take place and, in all likelihood, vaccines would perform roughly the same. It's all T cell and B cell immunity after all, innit?

Originally Posted by Pierre

It's not speculative, if you had bothered to read the scientific studies I posted you would know that, but then that would mean you were informed.

You're wasting your time, he will just argue and argue and argue until you get fed up.
Only he is right, no one else, all seeing and all knowing, you should know that by now.

Now I think about it, he really does remind me of Graham, thanks Chris.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Paul

You're wasting your time, he will just argue and argue and argue until you get fed up.
Only he is right, no one else, all seeing and all knowing, you should know that by now.

Now I think about it, he really does remind me of Graham, thanks Chris.

I know but I can't help myself, sort of a self flagellation. A morbid curiosity of the diseased mind.

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Originally Posted by jfman

On the contrary Pierre it would mean I became further distracted by speculative nonsense.

We've real world, observed analysis of this coronavirus and it's variants.

If they were all much of a muchness as your simplistic hypothesis suggests then no such observations would take place and, in all likelihood, vaccines would perform roughly the same. It's all T cell and B cell immunity after all, innit?

Not my hypothesis.

hCoV Cross-Reactive T Cell Memory
There is now also evidence that pre-existing T cell immunity to common cold coronaviruses can prime the response to SARS-CoV-2. Using functional validation of predicted epitopes when arranged in epitope “megapools” and using PBMCs derived from convalescing COVID-19 cases, Grifoni et al. (49) recently reported that all patients studied consistently generated a substantial CD4+/CD8+ T cell response against SARS-CoV-2. In terms of total CD4+ T cell response per donor, on average ~50% of the detected response was directed against the Spike protein, and ~50% was directed against the rest of the SARS-CoV-2 ORFeome. More importantly, when the exact same set of experimental techniques were used with blood samples from healthy control donors (collected between 2015 and 2018) substantial cross-reactive coronavirus T cell memory was detected, suggesting cross-reactive T cell recognition between seasonal cold coronaviruses and SARS-CoV-2. All healthy donors were IgG seropositive to HCoV-OC43 and NL63 RBD, to varying degrees, in line with the endemic nature of these viruses (50–54).

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...Bu9EUlI5BK5nlY

This is all very new cutting edge stuff, and it goes some way to explaining why there are such varying responses to the Virus, and why so many people seem to be unaffected by it.

[joglynne]

Covid vaccine tracker.

Researchers are in the process of developing more than 170 potential vaccines to protect against coronavirus.
Never before have so many teams worked simultaneously to create a drug that could save the lives of millions of people.
Sky News is following the race to create a vaccine to protect against COVID-19.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...ccine-12030675

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Paul

You're wasting your time, he will just argue and argue and argue until you get fed up.
Only he is right, no one else, all seeing and all knowing, you should know that by now.

Now I think about it, he really does remind me of Graham, thanks Chris.

I'm not really sure what my motivation for doing as you describe would be.

Some members have been consistently over-optimistic, clutching at one straw after another after another to be disappointed as we enter new restrictions (and new lockdowns) because they ignored what has been staring them in the face for some time.

I'm more interested in why others want to live in denial of the evidence out there and clutch at outdated hypothetical studies that contradict the real world data because it gives them a more comforting, if deluded, narrative.

However, I can offer some positive news in Israel Prime Minister Netanyahu has announced that 97% of Covid deaths that have occurred in the last 30 days have occurred in the non-vaccinated community. I'm sure they'll be looking into the 3% very closely. It'll be interesting to see when (or if) similar data emerges and if they'll break it down by who has had one dose or both doses of the appropriate vaccine.

[1andrew1]

I've not had a chance to view it, but Sky News has an interesting series on lessons learnt from the Coronavirus crisis in the UK.

What follows is an in-depth look at the UK's handling of a pandemic that changed all our lives in ways unimaginable even just a year ago. What worked in our response? What didn't? How can we be better prepared next time?

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...he-uk-12212258

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Chris

To quote a former forum member of long ago: “hello pot, this is kettle calling!”

(Anyone else remember Graham? He used to make leather goods and sell them at bondage fairs, and spent hours on here complaining about logical fallacies)

I missed Graham, he could be very funny when pointing out said logical fallacies.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Chris

To quote a former forum member of long ago: “hello pot, this is kettle calling!”

(Anyone else remember Graham? He used to make leather goods and sell them at bondage fairs, and spent hours on here complaining about logical fallacies)

... phalluses?

[Hom3r]

We should have followed Australia.


I was talking to my cousin who live in Perth Australia, the other day they had their first case in 10 months, within 3 hours they had a 5-day lockdown.

She said police challenged and offered a guy a mask, he refused saying it's a conspiracy etc, well he was sent to prison for 3 months.


I can't read it myself as it doesn't like my ad blocker, I did see 18 days (I guess it includes good behaviour.)


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-lockdown.html


https://www.ladbible.com/news/latest...kdown-20210202

[pip08456]

Here you go Hom3r.

A shopper will spend 18 days in jail after he refused to wear a face mask on the first day of Perth's harsh coronavirus lockdown.

The 41-year-old man was outside a shopping centre on the Great Eastern Highway in Midland when he was approached by police officers on Monday.

Police allege the man was not wearing a face mask and asked him to do so, in accordance with the latest restrictions in the city.

Face masks were made mandatory as metropolitan Perth, the Peel region and the South West region were plunged into a five-day lockdown after a hotel quarantine security guard tested positive to Covid-19.

[1andrew1]

Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine recommended for adults of all ages, say scientists advising the World Health Organisation
https://news.sky.com/story/oxford-as...ation-12214373

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine recommended for adults of all ages, say scientists advising the World Health Organisation
https://news.sky.com/story/oxford-as...ation-12214373

It's good for all age groups IF you ordered it on time

[jfman]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

It's good for all age groups IF you ordered it on time

Can also be read as "it's better than doing nothing, but not much better than doing nothing in South Africa".

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

It's good for all age groups IF you ordered it on time

South Africa are considering selling theirs so this could be an opportunity for some countries.