UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

It's quite troubling that so many people feel the need to escape from the EU to a better life.

If it troubles you, perhaps you will feel better by venturing to the channel in your boat and escorting them to a better life in Great Britain.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If it troubles you, perhaps you will feel better by venturing to the channel in your boat and escorting them to a better life in Great Britain.

I would never use my boat to assist illegal immigration even though the conditions in the EU must be so diabolical that they risk their lives in unsuitable craft to get here,the EU should up it's game and help these people who have fled to their borders and sought asylum, not turn a blind eye to them making suicide runs across the channel.

[Sephiroth]

I'll do an Andrew here. It's not surprising that once we are fully out of the EU that they won't accept the return of migrants.

End of doing an Andrew.

Typical piece of EU lawlessness. There must be some sort of International law on this?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

There must be some sort of International law on this?

I think the Penny might be starting to drop? What did the Romans ever do for us?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think the Penny might be starting to drop? What did the Romans ever do for us?

They went back home.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

They went back home.

... and became Italians!

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

... and became Italians!

[heero_yuy]

Could be worse, they might have become Belgians.

[1andrew1]

No surprise to see Nigel Farage toasting Steve Bannon for helping trigger Article 50. Will he come to Steve Bannon's aid now?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ste...build-the-wall
https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/s...57621587800064

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

There must be some sort of International law on this?

Under international law, anyone has the right to apply for asylum in any country that signed the 1951 Geneva Convention and to remain there until the authorities have assessed their claim. The core principle is non-refoulement, which asserts that a refugee should not be returned to a country where they face serious threats to their life or freedom. This is now considered a rule of customary international law.
The Dublin Convention which the UK is leaving is the EU one which aims to "determine rapidly the Member State responsible [for an asylum claim]"and provides for the transfer of an asylum seeker to that Member State.

[Carth]

So what you're implying Andrew, is that these 'refugees or asylum seekers' are deciding not to apply for asylum in the Countries they pass through to reach the beaches of France?


When does an asylum seeker coming from 'a country where they face serious threats to their life or freedom' not become an asylum seeker?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

So what you're implying Andrew, is that these 'refugees or asylum seekers' are deciding not to apply for asylum in the Countries they pass through to reach the beaches of France?

When does an asylum seeker coming from 'a country where they face serious threats to their life or freedom' not become an asylum seeker?

It looks to me like they are choosing to apply for asylum in the UK as is their right under the Geneva Convention. The ruling about the first country they arrived in is an interpretation of the Dublin Convention which we are leaving. It is a slender minority that come to the UK, most stay in the EU. More details here https://fullfact.org/immigration/asy...uk-and-europe/

[Carth]

aah, that maybe explains why the French are now asking the UK to grant asylum to people who aren't even in the UK.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It looks to me like they are choosing to apply for asylum in the UK as is their right under the Geneva Convention. The ruling about the first country they arrived in is an interpretation of the Dublin Convention which we are leaving. It is a slender minority that come to the UK, most stay in the EU. More details here https://fullfact.org/immigration/asy...uk-and-europe/

So, do we have a sort of "Mexico" situation here?

People seeking asylum from oppression, should not be coming to the UK from the EU.

People seeking to enter the UK as economic migrants should not be allowed into the UK from any source.

It follows, therefore, that the UK must institute measures to prevent the arrival of migrants from the EU. Easier said than done and this has nothing to do with the Geneva Convention unless they actually get here.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Under international law, anyone has the right to apply for asylum in any country that signed the 1951 Geneva Convention and to remain there until the authorities have assessed their claim. The core principle is non-refoulement, which asserts that a refugee should not be returned to a country where they face serious threats to their life or freedom. This is now considered a rule of customary international law.
The Dublin Convention which the UK is leaving is the EU one which aims to "determine rapidly the Member State responsible [for an asylum claim]"and provides for the transfer of an asylum seeker to that Member State.

Bad news for them then, as under the Dublin act we would just send them back to France/ Italy/Greece etc.

Whereas after we have left it will be back to Sudan or wherever