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Sephiroth · 08-07-2022, 16:48

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Originally Posted by jfman

I think propaganda could reasonably describe the notion he got these big decisions right. Brexit achieved with little consideration to solving the details, higher Covid deaths per capita than some countries, weaker economic recovery. Ukraine? I’m not sure he’s done anything that couldn’t reasonably be achieved by an average politician desperately seeking a good news story to deflect from domestic problems.

Actually, that’s absolutely right. Provided that any PM would have stretched out to get a vaccine developed on which we could rely for supply, it’s merely a case of Boris getting that one right. Test and Trace was a good idea, but that failed because of its implementation. The PPE saga was not the Guvmin’s finest moment, but Boris only shares blame there prolly due to his lack of attention to detail.

Contracts for their mates was questionable - I think only one came really good (Randox), but I’m not fully up on that. I suspect that the psychology was “who can we trust, that has connections, that can get whatever done quickly”.

Brexit was not adequately thought through and I think we squandered the power we had in terms of the withdrawal cash.

It is important that the next PM has gravitas so that he/she can be taken seriously on the international stage. Incidentally, Jeremy Hunt would be the wrong person to be PM; apart from his leanings, he’s to understated.

TheDaddy · 08-07-2022, 16:48

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I’ll remind:

1. He tried to change the rules so that Owen Paterson could get away with it;

2. He lied over the Pincher business;’

3. He’s changing the Ministerial Code so that honesty and integrity are not a requirement.

He has no integrity.

Barnard castle is a bigly to. It's not even that he kept lying, I accept the public are okay with them lying even if I am not, it's how he lies, the drip release of truth followed by new lies over the course of days, it's insulting and completely disrespectful

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Originally Posted by jfman

I think propaganda could reasonably describe the notion he got these big decisions right. Brexit achieved with little consideration to solving the details, higher Covid deaths per capita than some countries, weaker economic recovery. Ukraine? I’m not sure he’s done anything that couldn’t reasonably be achieved by an average politician desperately seeking a good news story to deflect from domestic problems.

I think you're right, Brexit was done in such a incompetent way we were going to break international law to make it work, although he did say he'd get it done I guess, he never said it'd be done well or even legally, covid, any credit he gets for the vaccine should be tempered with the care homes, were people were literally sent to their deaths in droves, Ukraine, who would have done any different, well I like to think no British pm would have but then plenty in Europe haven't done as much and the last American president may well have done nothing

**Mick** · 08-07-2022, 17:30

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www.ready4rishi.com

I look forward to all these Tories telling us about fixing our broken economy and levelling up the UK. If only they’d told any of the previous four Chancellors.

I think he’s bust his chances. I really do.

1andrew1 · 08-07-2022, 18:06

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Originally Posted by jfman

www.ready4rishi.com

I look forward to all these Tories telling us about fixing our broken economy and levelling up the UK. If only they’d told any of the previous four Chancellors.

Get ready for Rishi's National Insurance hike.

papa smurf · 08-07-2022, 18:21

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Get ready for Rishi's National Insurance hike.

Boo hiss hate him

1andrew1 · 08-07-2022, 18:29

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Originally Posted by Mick

I think he’s bust his chances. I really do.

Javid showed genuine leadership by resigning and Sunak just copied him. If you're PM you can't just copy someone else.

**Damien** · 08-07-2022, 18:50

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Javid showed genuine leadership by resigning and Sunak just copied him. If you're PM you can't just copy someone else.

They did it within minutes of each other, it was clearly planned together.

1andrew1 · 08-07-2022, 19:14

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Originally Posted by Damien

They did it within minutes of each other, it was clearly planned together.

OK, thanks.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

His biggest mistake was delivering Brexit, there was no way he could keep his position after that. The establishment were not happy and the establishment had him removed.

All we have to look forward to now is years of trying to become some kind of quasi-member of the EU.

Let’s just see how the negotiations on the N.I. Protocol, metamorphise into a bigger discussion on the single market…………

He was not removed for Brexit, he was removed for lying.

I can of course understand how you might get the two mixed up.

RichardCoulter · 08-07-2022, 19:35

I'm surprised that he intends to stay on as an MP. Not long after he was made PM, he was whining about how he couldn't live on the pay, yet an MP's salary will be lower.

I assumed that he'd leave to make money from working in the private sector or by making after dinner speeches (about Peppa Pig

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Sephiroth · 08-07-2022, 19:35

Sunak's commitment to the UK is questionable - from many angles.

If he's in the final two, I hope there isn't a real idiot opposing him because then I'll have to do a "None of the above".

jfman · 08-07-2022, 21:29

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I'm surprised that he intends to stay on as an MP. Not long after he was made PM, he was whining about how he couldn't live on the pay, yet an MP's salary will be lower.

I assumed that he'd leave to make money from working in the private sector or by making after dinner speeches (about Peppa Pig

)

I’m sure his friends formerly in the KGB will find him something to occupy his time and it’ll be lucrative.

ianch99 · 08-07-2022, 21:42

Surely the best Boris meme?

Qtx · 08-07-2022, 21:53

"Choice is an illusion created between those with power and those without" – Merovingian (The Matrix Reloaded)

Is choosing the least worst Conservative party member to be the new PM really a good thing? People accept things when they feel they had a choice, even when there really isn't any.

Mr K · 08-07-2022, 21:57

Nadine's going to run. She sees herself as the Boris continuity candidate

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2119090.html

So continued lawbreaking, incompetentence etc.... tbf she'd be quite good a that...

Pierre · 08-07-2022, 22:12

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Originally Posted by jfman

Brexit achieved with little consideration to solving the details

Brexit achieved whilst Parliament was trying it’s hardest to defy a democratic decision. In the process totally destroying Labour and the notion that the great uneducated/ unwashed didn’t know what they voted for. After three years of debate, they reminded everyone what they voted for.

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higher Covid deaths per capita than some countries,

I mean we all know you were a lockdown and furlough fetishist and wanted to see that continue forever. He took us out earlier than any pretty much any other Western country. My view hasn’t changed - he shouldn’t have lockdowned in the first place - but he did get us out early.

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weaker economic recovery.

Well, it’s debatable depending what report or what graph you see. As I see it, we’re in the same race as everyone else and not out of it. No one is having a good time now. No one is really “recovering” so we have to ride it.

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Ukraine? I’m not sure he’s done anything that couldn’t reasonably be achieved by an average politician

yeah but he was first in. Everybody saw that and now the train into Kyiv is the biggest celeb ticket in town.

By your standard the whole of the EU are below average, in which……you have a point.

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Originally Posted by jfman

www.ready4rishi.com

I look forward to all these Tories telling us about fixing our broken economy and levelling up the UK. If only they’d told any of the previous four Chancellors.

He is not the answer, nor will he win.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

He was not removed for Brexit, he was removed for lying

Of course he was.