[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[Osem]

Originally Posted by admars

what are the figures on ppl leaving to live and work abroad?

Not sure what you mean but + 1,000,000 is the net figure every 3 years - i.e. people who've entered the UK minus those who've left for whatever reason. Each year c. 1/3 of a million more people come to the UK than leave which is why the UK's population is growing so fast.

[techguyone]

Yes sorry I should have put the figure as net.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by techguyone

I know, it's simple maths, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to work out if approx 1 million people enter the country every 3 years, you'd need to adjust housing, jobs, healthcare, prisons, services to allow for it.

Why we keep insisting there's no impact is head scratching.

And as for those who dare say anything about that oddity, and they're instantly dismissed as pariahs, racists, xenophobes etc etc.

Weird, just weird.

Not if you're globalist at heart and your ultimate aim is a pool of cheap labour. How on earth are the Labour party being fooled by this?

And as for those who dare say anything about that oddity, and they're instantly dismissed as pariahs, racists, xenophobes etc etc.

And those who say the things that I have just said, are part of the 'Tin foil hat' brigade

[Big Brian]

Someone said earlier that Remain had taken a 3 point lead in the polls. Not according to this one 11-17 th of June.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...ading-11496203

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

Someone said earlier that Remain had taken a 3 point lead in the polls. Not according to this one 11-17 th of June.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...ading-11496203

smoke and mirrors lies and deception, if they can convince people their side have already lost then they wont bother voting on Thursday[power to the people]lets stick it to the man

Nissan are suing Vote Leave for incorrectly quoting them and using their logo: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7091556.html

Kinda pointless. The campaign will be wound-up by the time it sees the inside of a court room.

Also, as Gove will no doubt agree, many of the executives at Nissan are experts on their company and thus rather ignorant of it.

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

I think the biggest debate to be had now is by how much Remain will win.

I'm going for somewhere between 55-45 and 60-40.

I am not convinced. I still think the demographics favour Leave. The polls might be finding it hard reaching working class people in areas that have struggled for years and who don't usually vote in General Elections.

The last week has seen fewer reports of Labour campaigners being alarmed. I suspect the amount of people who don't know Labour support Remain has dropped considerably.

The amount of people who felt Brexit would 'cost them personally' jumped up as well. I think Leave are struggling to keep coming up with rebuttals to the economic arguments now that they've taken centre-stage what with Leave being ahead. Osborne's Budget threat has probably worked too, when Leave said it was outrageous it still highlighted the idea of economic harm and moved immigration off the headlines which was hurting Remain badly. As you said before for Project Fear to work it has to seem possible, and the polls putting Leave ahead have definitely made it seem possible.

Still I think it's very close and Leave might edge past due to a more motivated electorate.

[papa smurf]

Even BRUSSELS pours scorn on Project Fear: Juncker REFUSES to endorse PM's scaremongering

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...t-Project-Fear

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Even BRUSSELS pours scorn on Project Fear: Juncker REFUSES to endorse PM's scaremongering

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...t-Project-Fear

Presumably because he can see it hasn't worked ...

[Osem]

The fact is those wanting us to say in will say anything to get us to do so. All that matters to them is that we stay in and they get to further erode our right to chose. If that means lying they will. If it means contradicting themselves they will. Their only interest is subduing those who disagree by any means they can. We don't matter to them, we're just a small part of the grand scheme and if we don't get out of this madness we're going to regret it.

I want out but the leave campaign has totally screwed it up and out of the two groups I think they had the easier route but momentum has definitely shifted away from leave and while Jo Cox's murder was terrible and my thoughts are with her family it should not be a factor in this referendum.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I was in Hounslow today, and was confronted by REMAIN campaigners. And they gave me the usual rubbish leaflets.

I said to them answer my questions.
Why should MY TAX money be spent on Europe, in its MILLIONS per day, and we only get so much back.

And they couldn't answer it. Then l said, that recently, we had that Brussels Court had overruled a decision made by OUR SUPREME COURT, regarding several killers that have been allowed into the UK. And they must stay here.

And about DC last night on question time last night. They couldn't answer any of them. And would you believe that three men from different countries said they were voting Leave.

We MUST take over our OWN Borders, and not to be told what to do by Brussels. We must be allowed to control Migrants coming into this country.

If the have a job, and can prove it. Then they can come in.

We must do what Australia has done. Stop them coming into the country.

The UK is a soft touch. And Corbyn, should be ashamed of himself. Even my MP, who is Labour, says she is voting remain.

I thought that Labour stood for the working class.

[MalteseFalcon]

Sadly Arthur, since that MP was killed, anyone wanting to leave is now viewed as a fascist racist bigot. Thankfully, I sent my postal vote in weeks before this happened because otherwise I would be scared to vote leave on Thursday.

I hear rumours that we have a state visit to Downing Street on Thursday of one Mr. Robert Mugabe. (JUST JOKING BEFORE ANYONE JUMPS ON ME)

[Gavin78]

http://www.retailresearch.org/whosegonebust.php

A list of stores gone bust over the years....too many to list but the simple answer is where was the stronger in the EU when all these shops/stores went under.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

I have never been comfortable about farage being involved he may appeal strongly to a small group but is very off putting to a much larger group and I'm in no doubt he has hindered the leave campaign. Saying that the whole campaign for leave has been pretty dismal and ineffective and while I agree Cameron and Osbourne are now has been I think the same could be said of Boris johnson. He has done a great deal of damage to any chances he had of being party leader and I don't think it will be too long before the Tory party does some major culling of dead weight.

That small group would vote leave anyway, Farage must have known he'd only hinder the campaign he's to shrewd not to but his ego got the better of him, like all politicians he put himself above what's best for everyone else

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Originally Posted by Damien

Betting odds have spiked in favor of Remain this morning.

So has the FTSE 100:


Do the banks know something we don't?

Course they know, they spend fortunes on polls and keep the results to themselves just so they can bet on it

[adzii_nufc]

Was there an official move endorsing remain for Nissan? I seem to remember them wading in via press release that leant towards remaining and that they're better off in the EU but can't remember if they chose sides. Still a pretty daft move by Leave.