Post-Brexit Thread

[heero_yuy]

Well I can see a future, ten years from now, with the UK and Germany being a single super trading bloc with the the rest of the EU as some kind of decaying rubbish state with Scotland tacked on the outside.

Originally Posted by Taf

Whilst we are still part of the EU, we should still have a voice in the EU. We have MEP's and their voices should still be heard. But the EU wouldn't like that of course, especially with eurosceptic groups starting to clamour for their own OUT referendums.

But our thoughts and wishes would probably be ignored as much as before.

We will ,untill we invoke A50 then we will take no more part in any negotiations apart from ones concerned with us leaving

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

there's talk on the news of not invoking it till January 1 2017

Yeah I saw that Brian. For the forum audience the EU's financial year follows the calendar year so it'd potentially make things smoother if the UK leaves on the 1st January rather than near the end of the year.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Well I can see a future, ten years from now, with the UK and Germany being a single super trading bloc with the the rest of the EU as some kind of decaying rubbish state with Scotland tacked on the outside.

I'd wipe your glasses.

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Originally Posted by ianch99

I have been reading the last few pages of this thread and it is pretty depressing.

Ignitionnet has, for many weeks now, been an ardent supporter of the Leave campaign. His posts were well argued, he clearly had done a lot of research before posting and his replies to any responses were cogent.

He now, after looking at the aftermath of this vote and its implications, has doubts and he has questions.

So what does he get in reward for the effort he has put in in past weeks on behalf of the Leave campaign?

Abuse ..

He deserves better than that

I take it as a compliment. People who are reverting to ad hominem cannot answer the points made.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Stephen

No one is clutching at straws.

Just because the people said something doesn't mean the government have to actually listen to it.

If they don't listen to the will of the people after the result of the referendum then they will be committing political suicide in my opinion.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

I'd wipe your glasses.[COLOR="Silver"]

You think so? With Germany left as the largest contributor the the EU budget and overwhelmed with immigrants the German people may well force an EU exit. It would only be logical for us to unite with our cousins to form one of the largest economic blocs in the world.

[Gary L]

I've just found out that we can still be part of the Eurovision Song Contest.

I don't know if that's any comfort to the remainers or not?

we'll be guaranteed a full nil points though.

[ntluser]

I don't think you'll have to wait 10 years to see the effects. I read somewhere that some EU organisation is planning to buy the London Stock Exchange and move it and its staff to Europe.

Given that finance is probably our strongest sector, that will have a major impact, especially with other banking organisations in the EU ready to step in.

Worse still, Goldman Sachs & HSBC are planning moves to Europe too if we leave.

The EU Referendum outcome is going to have many unexpected consequences and we will need to tread carefully because it's like a minefield out there and we really don't want to put our foot in it until we know all there is to know about the situation.

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Originally Posted by Gary L

I've just found out that we can still be part of the Eurovision Song Contest.

I don't know if that's any comfort to the remainers or not?

we'll be guaranteed a full nil points though.

Not surprising really as they let Australia in. Just wonder if next year we'll have other non-European entries!! LOL!!

If the EU were prepared to reform and abandon the federal superstate dream there wouldn't be this issue but they still have no interest in real reform and are still planning the federal superstate. It isn't just here in the UK things are screwed up it's across the whole EU and despite the rising tensions Brussels just puts it hands over it's political ears and continues to hum the federal anthem. If it had stayed as a trade orientated union this referendum would never have happened perhaps instead of this being remain vs leave we should direct our anger to the small group in the EU who just won't listen.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Who are the "we" here?

Did you get behind the government when we were in the EU?

Did Farage get behind the government when founded UKIP and campaigned for years to leave the EU?

What's all this "now we have won, let's all pull together and forget our differences"?

You and your mates have banged on for years on how the EU is evil, how it is bad for the country, etc. etc. etc. and you have the gall to say, that now that you have won the vote, that we all have to get behind the government.

What a load of hypocritical BS.

And did nigel say it'd all be over and forget differences etc if he'd lost the referendum, no he said its unfinished business

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_57...f12?edition=uk

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

If the EU were prepared to reform and abandon the federal superstate dream there wouldn't be this issue but they still have no interest in real reform and are still planning the federal superstate. It isn't just here in the UK things are screwed up it's across the whole EU and despite the rising tensions Brussels just puts it hands over it's political ears and continues to hum the federal anthem. If it had stayed as a trade orientated union this referendum would never have happened perhaps instead of this being remain vs leave we should direct our anger to the small group in the EU who just won't listen.

Agreed. If the EU had been more flexible and remained just a trading union we would have all voted to stay and all the problems being generated like Scotland wanting to leave would never have happened.

I just hope Angela Merkel is reading this forum and is prepared to listen to ordinary British people.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i just wish some one from the remain side would apologise for project fear
.;'..,

Like nigel did when asked about the 350 million being spent on the nhs each week, is calling it a mistake the same as an apology

[ntluser]

I think the problem for all of us was that both sides were economical with the truth.

It's not surprising that we ended up with the result that we did.

Cameron did not have a Plan B and Boris did not have a Plan A so we were all totally unprepared for the outcome.

I think the Conservatives need to get together and come up with a good plan quickly.

I just hope it's a plan the other parties can support.

It is ridiculous all we have is Sturgeon threatening to block Brexit or break up the UK. Nothing from anyone else, I suspect lots of speeches, comments tomorrow.

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by RBMark

It is ridiculous all we have is Sturgeon threatening to block Brexit or break up the UK. Nothing from anyone else, I suspect lots of speeches, comments tomorrow.

Given the polarisation in Scotland I think this is an entirely reasonable response. The question is, is it legal?

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by downquark1

Given the polarisation in Scotland I think this is an entirely reasonable response. The question is, is it legal?

I think the Scots are trying to act in their own best interests just like everybody else.

In situations like this we need a high quality solution that addresses everybody's interests and brings consensus.